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Is Hi-Fi delusional?



 
 
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Old October 25th 04, 08:35 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Iain M Churches
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Default Is Hi-Fi delusional?


"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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You are an ignorant fool.

Wohey! Stewart's started on Iain now.

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Somehow I get the impression I am not the first:-)

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Old October 25th 04, 09:23 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Stewart Pinkerton
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:13:16 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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Right, you interpret an amp which *changes* the input signal as
'better'. OK, I see where you stand.


No, sorry Stewart. Neither I or any one else as far as I know has said that.


You said that valve amps sound better. Good SS amps are sonically
transparent, i.e. what comes out sounds the same as what goes in. That
being so (and readily proveable under level-matched blind conditions),
then if you prefer 'valve sound', then you *by definition* prefer an
amp which *changes* the input signal.

You are an ignorant fool.


Please try, just for once to be civil.
Your loutish outbursts do not
become you.


That is not a 'loutish outburst', it is a simple observation, based on
your posts and confirmed once again in this one.

Given a flat open-loop response, NFB affects
all harmonics equally. What cancels even
harmonics is push-pull operation, not NFB,


If you had taken the trouble to read carefully what I wrote,
instead of frothing with expletives, you would have realised
that I was referring to the feedback loop from the secondary
of a push pull output stage.


I read what you wrote. You claimed that NFB cancels even harmonics,
implying that it does nothing to odd harmonics. That is rubbish. It is
also rubbish that the feedback loop from the secondary
of a push pull output stage affects only even harmonics.

The NFB greatly reduces the even harmonics, but not the
odd. Come on over and have a look at the spectrum analyser.
I have a HP3581A. Even you cannot argue with that:-)
You can even go for a spin in the Armstrong:-)


You are talking nonsense, and you clearly cannot use your
instrumentation.
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Old October 25th 04, 09:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Stewart Pinkerton
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:06:36 +0100, Ian Molton wrote:

Chris Morriss wrote:

Only a 3581A? Dear oh dear, even I have an HP35665A :-)


Either of you happen to know how to get hold of a cheap SA ?


National Instruments. Who needs standalone instruments in 2004?
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Old October 25th 04, 09:32 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
The EggKing
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Not a good comparison as the terms used by experienced wine tasters actually
mean something. I mean this in as much as the flavours and scents that are
described are there due to the chemical reactions that occur in the
fermentation process.

I know very little about HiFi so I had to get a couple of pence in
somewhere. Ahem.

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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In reply to Ian: I don't know any alternative to using descriptive

language
when describing sound in words, any more than wine tasters can't do better

than
'a hint of blackberry and elderflower' when describing wine. It's one of

those
things we're stuck with, faute de mieux.

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Old October 25th 04, 10:04 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Ian Molton
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:06:36 +0100, Ian Molton wrote:


Chris Morriss wrote:


Only a 3581A? Dear oh dear, even I have an HP35665A :-)


Either of you happen to know how to get hold of a cheap SA ?



National Instruments. Who needs standalone instruments in 2004?


You may have missed the word 'cheap' in there...

sure they have gear at as little as 395USD but thats a puny 20ks/s POS
(my soundcard does better!)

I want something with (say) a MHz or two of bandwidth...
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Old October 25th 04, 11:59 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Mike Gilmour
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On 25 Oct 2004 19:35:43 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

You are an ignorant fool.

Wohey! Stewart's started on Iain now.


No buffoon is safe!


You'd better take care then Stewart

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Old October 26th 04, 07:05 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Stewart Pinkerton
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:04:37 +0100, Ian Molton wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:06:36 +0100, Ian Molton wrote:


Chris Morriss wrote:


Only a 3581A? Dear oh dear, even I have an HP35665A :-)

Either of you happen to know how to get hold of a cheap SA ?



National Instruments. Who needs standalone instruments in 2004?


You may have missed the word 'cheap' in there...

sure they have gear at as little as 395USD but thats a puny 20ks/s POS
(my soundcard does better!)

I want something with (say) a MHz or two of bandwidth...


Why?

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Old October 26th 04, 09:08 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Andy Evans
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Wohey! Stewart's started on Iain now.

No buffoon is safe! (SP)

Now hang on there - do you SERIOUSLY think someone with a REAL recording career
as long as your arm is someone who doesn't know what he is talking about, let
alone a 'buffoon' in your words. He's a nice guy who is now alienated by your
pointless insults. Have you the slightest idea what effect you have on others,
or does none of this matter when you're gaily banging away at your keyboard.
You're not unintelligent - why don't you try and find the way home from
whatever planet you're on and see if there are some humans about that you can
start a normal conversation with. You could practice communicating on this
newsgroup for starters.

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Old October 26th 04, 09:12 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Andy Evans
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Not a good comparison as the terms used by experienced wine tasters actually
mean something. I mean this in as much as the flavours and scents that are
described are there due to the chemical reactions that occur in the
fermentation process.

I don't quite follow you -
a) Elderflower, blackberries and green apples are not, as far as I know,
present in grapes?
b) I believe that audiophiles who use specific words do try to create
'reserved' expressions for what they describe in order to gain some
universality of meaning. While this fails a lot of the time, words like
'treble' and 'resolution' are quite reasonable.

=== Andy Evans ===
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