"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:53:21 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Church seems to shape up as a should-be-retired BS artist backed
up with obsolete audio knowlege and ancient test equipment. He's
hardly a threat to SP, let alone me.

Now what makes you think I have any intention of being a threat to
anyone. Your paragraph smacks of insecurity methinks.

So you set yourself even above SP?
Care to tell us of your pedigree Arny?

By audio rottweiler out of an ABX box. He has a very useful audio
website, but he's a royal US pain in the ass. I'd rather he wasn't
'helping' me................

It's my way of sticking it to you Pinkie, for all those years of gratuitous
abuse you've heaped on me.

In article , Iain M Churches
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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He can't have spent much time here. There have been far more than two
loud mouths - indeed a certain Trotsky was rather worse than any
currently.

Hmm! Glad I was listening to my Shostokovitch at that time:-)

ahem Fitzwilliam Quartet versions I hope... ;-

Yes. I seems to be a problem in audio. As soon as there is an
"alternative technology" feelings start to run hot. I have a good
collection of CD's, a lot of vinyl both finished copies and test
pressings, and some 14 inch lacquers. I also have recordings on DAT, 15
ips quarter in stereo, and 35mm magnetic. Oh, and a pretty good
collection of 78's (mainly Duke Ellington) which I play on an HMV 102
wind up gramophone with trailer needles, as God intended.

Strange thing here is that you have an HVM wind-up, but I have a 'Decca
60'. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Keith
G wrote:



And I would prefer it if you would re-direct such requests to those who
more properly deserve them. I am not, nor have ever been, the worst
here for not snipping and, having explained my reasons, don't you think
your request would be better directed to the 'cause' rather than the
'effect'.....??

Not really, no.

Your postings have shown to me in the past that you are quite capable of
being polite and considerate.


Oh yes, I quite simply pay people in the coin they pay me - no more, no
less...


Yet on this occasion you gave as a 'reason'
for you failure to snip the fact that someone else failed to do so.


It's a little more than that - I took exception at being singled out for
this criticism when I don't think I have ever been the worst offender in
this group. Despite a little effort (which won't last for long) this
morning, a facet of Pinketon's insufferable arrogance is that he doesn't
ever *normally* trouble himself to snip posts. I got fed up with doing it
for him a long time ago - if he can't be bothered to make his replies easier
to read for me, then why should I bother to do it for him?



My personal view is that to improve the way people deal with one another
we
should each try to be polite and considerate. *Particularly when your
reactions to one person affect other people as well.*


I can only say to this that *anyone* offended by my posts (snipping, content
or otherwise) has the options not to read them. Anyone *continually*
offended by *anyone's* posts here always has the option to KF the offenders
and must look to their own laurels, if they fail so to do!


You may recall that only very recently I have snipped your *own *
responses one or two times when I've replied to you and which, IIRC,
contained previous content that you, in fact, could have snipped
yourself, no.....???

Yes, indeed. This is why I felt it was worth making my point as I believe
you are able to show the requisite consideration for others. However the
real point is that when you fail to snip one person's posting in a reply
you risk being impolite to (perhaps many) people other than that
individual
who may wish to read what you say.


Jim, we have posts here now that have the prevous posters names 'nested' a
half dozen times or more. Next one I spot (there's no way these things can
be found to order) I'll shout *Heeyare Jim - here's another one* for your
benefit ;-)


However: My apologies if my comment offended/irritated you.


Apology refused - not necessary....

"John Phillips" wrote in message
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In article , Andy Evans
wrote:
Seems to me outrageous statements by those valve and vinyl enthusiasts
are
always the start of these slagging matches

No, Dave, it goes like this:
Post - "I'm getting really good sounds out of my valve/vinyl system"

Sorry to disagree, Andy, but I believe this misses the core of the issue.
Let me re-phrase the "Post" to illustrate - I won't go as far as some
would want and I will pitch it in what I see as the middle ground.

Post - "I'm getting really good sounds out of my valve/vinyl system -
it's so transparent."

I could write an equivalent version from the other point of view but I
hope I will be forgiven for not taking the time.

The problem as I observe it (well one of the bigger problems, anyway)
is multiple meanings of some words.

In this example, "transparent" has a "lay" meaning and a "technical"
meaning which are almost certainly not compatible. To me, and I
suspect to others, in the technical sense it impliess something that
can be measured. To me, in the lay sense it seems to imply a matter of
experience which belies measurement.

Both points of view are equally important in the field of audio for
recreation.

It would be good if the "sides" used non-overlapping vocabulary. This is
not realistic, of course. So it would be good then if there was mutual
understanding of the issue and a tolerance that some words will apply
in different ways which don't always have to be pointedly pointed out.

Of course the issues actually get blown up because of "escalatory"
behaviour. It needs escalatory behaviour on both sides to reach today's
situation. It's also no use really, whatever the truth of the matter,
saying "he started it" as this is in itself escalatory.


No it isn't......

;-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
Yes. I seems to be a problem in audio. As soon as there is an
"alternative technology" feelings start to run hot. I have a good
collection of CD's, a lot of vinyl both finished copies and test
pressings, and some 14 inch lacquers. I also have recordings on DAT, 15
ips quarter in stereo, and 35mm magnetic. Oh, and a pretty good
collection of 78's (mainly Duke Ellington) which I play on an HMV 102
wind up gramophone with trailer needles, as God intended.

Absolutely. I envy you your collection of unusual discs - I'm more into
tape. Can play/record pretty well any mono or stereo format ever -
including 8 track cartridges and Elcassette. No multi-track beyond 4,
though, - the machines are too large. ;-)

I thought the Elcassette was an excellent format in the applications for
which it was intended. Great shame it didn't catch on.
Like Betamax it was the better of two formats on offer at the
time I think . Oh God. Am I going to get showered with Anglo-saxon
vocabulary:-(((((

I play all of these, they all give me immense enjoyment, and I accept
the strengths and weeknesses of each format.

That's all that can be asked for.

I've got a cylindrical gramophone too. It gives as much pleasure simply
looking at it. ;-)

Does it have an original horn? They were rarely brass I am told?
I once worked on an amazing album produced by Kevin Daly, called
"The Wonder of the Age" Mr Edison's Talking Machine."
My sleeve credit was "The Edison Phonograph operated by
Mr Iain Churches (gent) I must dig it out.

Iain

"Andy Evans" wrote


snipped (with JLS in mind ;-)


much like to hear them. I can tell you that audio amateurs and musicians
are
not going to climb down and bow to the engineers, because we've taken
quite
enough insults and we're not prepared to take any more.


Good, because a tiny few of us are damned fed up trying to fend off the *ss
and 16/44.1 digital only* bully boys in here who are such a minority
themselves (albeit very gobby) they wouldn't last five minutes if a few more
*ordinary* people (who can use/enjoy either or both) would simply tell them
STFU!!

Rest assured, if the valves and vinyl enthusasts here could suddenly go
'fine, I'll bugger off then' (*so* tempting - this group's doing nothing for
my enjoyment of music or audio gear any more) it would be MP3s next, then
24/92, then DAB etc. etc. believe you me....!!

(Ultimately 2.5 digi****s rubbing their collective scrota while being
lovingly watched and admired by adoring pillocks like Molton??)

*shudder*

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


For example, I'm hoping later today to search for the 'Hiraga' article on
MC cartridges that KG mentioned a while ago. I think I recall the gist of
it, but am far from sure, so want to read it again before deciding if a
comment might be useful.


Do you mean me? - If so, I don't remember that???



TBH I do have some interest in valve kit, simply because I know much less
about their design details than SS kit, and like to learn.


As would anyone genuinely interested in audio gear.....

I'm new to the word 'snipping' - can somebody explain it? Andy

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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I'm new to the word 'snipping' - can somebody explain it? Andy


It's where you delete previous text above your reply leaving just enough for
people to see what you're replying to. (It's also quite important to leave
the person's name on - otherwise we don't know who you are 'speaking' to -
Do we, Andy....?? ;-)

It's to help keep posts clear for people to read, reduce unnecessary waste
of bandwidth and assist people with slow 'pay as you go connections'. The
necessity to ensure the perosn's name (you are replying to) is because posts
get 'resorted' on a 'time posted' basis (I think) ....

'Engineers' (real or imagined) are excused from any such obligation or
requirement, naturally.... ;-)

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:54:20 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
By audio rottweiler out of an ABX box. He has a very useful audio
website, but he's a royal US pain in the ass. I'd rather he wasn't
'helping' me................

Ahaa. I thought he was in the UK. I was going to ask if he could help
me out with some IMD measurement, as he has, by all accounts,
a well equipped workshop.

IIRC, he lives near Detroit.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering