Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On 26 Oct 2004 20:51:39 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:


No, Dave, it goes like this:
Post - "I'm getting really good sounds out of my valve/vinyl system"
Response - "Yet another hopeless valve nutter who can't see that the only
acoustically transparent device is a ss amp. Hopeless pathetic twerp"

So how about the response:
"Glad to hear it - what are you using". Pop over to Audio Asylum and that's the
response you get. That's because it's moderated, people are interested in each
others projects, and the foul mouthed people from Planet Strange get their
posts removed.


Actually, it's not moderated, it's *censored*, so that all the tweakos
and valvies can enjoy lots of mutual back-slapping without ever being
disturbed by difficult questions like "but how do you know it *really*
sounds different?"


Oh come on, isn't "I listened to it in a sighted comparison after making
the mods, and the soundstage has been expanded with an extra layer of
treble sweetness" good enough?



On a more serious note, it would be very difficult to make a realistic
comparison unless the modder had two units, one modded and one unmodded
so that an A-B comparison can be made.

Andy Evans wrote:



If you have any ideas about how
engineers can behave more tolerantly to audio amateurs and musicians I'd very
much like to hear them.

sure, first the non-engineers have to take a course in basic electronics
and signal processing.


I can tell you that audio amateurs and musicians are
not going to climb down and bow to the engineers, because we've taken quite
enough insults and we're not prepared to take any more.


No one is demanding any of that! You have to trust the right people with
the proper training for specific domains. After all, would you prefer a
classically trained pianist or an accountant to prepare your tax return
for you?

Andy Evans wrote:

snip

As regards engineers, musicians and audio amateurs we have another problem.
there is a group of engineers who take it as their God given right to direct
the flow of posts in 'engineering' terms - the most blatent is the statement
'Audio is Engineering'.

But audio is engineering.
It involves analysis, design, build, testing and deployment. All done in
a structured way with an understanding of the fundamentals of the
problem domain and the technology being applied.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:59:43 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:08:17 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Since you claim you have a spectrum analyzer Iain, why haven't you
investigated this claim for yourself?

I have both the HP3580A andf 3581A.
I took a look at the Radford STA100 with THD
at 0.09% at full power, I could see traces of 3H, 5H, and 7H etc
but no even harmonics.

You wouldn't - because it's a push-pull amplifier. You'd see the same
spectral content - only bigger - if you disconnected the feedback
loop.

Yet another nice me-too post, essentially paraphrasing my more extensive
post on the previous day.

Whazzup Arny, been blasted off r.a.o?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
May I make a couple of corrections. Island Studios was an old church
rather than a warehouse (just near Portobello Road).


Funny. I still can see in my minds eye the location as being a
warehouse in Camden. But I am sure you are right.
It's a very long time ago, and I
have enjoyed a lot of single malt since then:-)

The first time I went there, the place was deserted except for a
very pretty receptionist, in the shortest of shot skirts,
who seemed pleased to have someone to talk to. She made
me coffee, I watched her paint her nails, then she gave me
two albums. John and Beverley Martin "Stormbringer"
and Bad Company "Run With the Pack"
I still have them.

Wonder if anyone remembers Bill Mackie, a very amiable Irishman, who was
their building maintenance man in the '70s?

Can't recall him. But I only went there a few times.
Someone else who remembers the cat told me that it was in fact a stray that
just wandered in. I don't know. But it is still a good story:-)


Iain

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:08:17 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Since you claim you have a spectrum analyzer Iain, why haven't you
investigated this claim for yourself?

I have both the HP3580A andf 3581A.
I took a look at the Radford STA100 with THD
at 0.09% at full power, I could see traces of 3H, 5H, and 7H etc
but no even harmonics.

You wouldn't - because it's a push-pull amplifier. You'd see the same
spectral content - only bigger - if you disconnected the feedback
loop.

Yet another nice me-too post, essentially paraphrasing my more extensive
post on the previous day.

What can be wrong with that? People who are cordial are much more
likely to get the attention of others.

I greatly appreciated it. Don't you see Arny? SP thinks I am a buffoon.
I need all the help I can get:-)

I am still waiting to hear if you can help me out with IMD, or did I miss
your reply?

Iain

Tat Chan wrote:

On a more serious note, it would be very difficult to make a realistic
comparison unless the modder had two units, one modded and one unmodded
so that an A-B comparison can be made.

You could modify one channel at a time and compare the two
using a mono source. It wouldn't work on power supplies and
you may have to mask half a pcb to ensure that there is no
overspill of snake oil.

--
Eiron.

In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
snip

As a result, this you fellow is over the moon.
If he had made such an overture in this group he would
probably be hanging from a lamp-post by now.

Err, no. Or rather, I've not seen anyone asking for help of this sort
getting blasted. And I've read this group on and off for some time.

Of course, if the thread drifts off into a discussion of the relative
merits of the 303 against other designs, things then might get heated.
But that's newsgroups for you.

--
*There's no place like www.home.com *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


I can only say to this that *anyone* offended by my posts (snipping,
content or otherwise) has the options not to read them. Anyone
*continually* offended by *anyone's* posts here always has the option
to KF the offenders and must look to their own laurels, if they fail so
to do!

Agreed. However the difficulty is that some of us (i.e. 'me' :-) ) have
then to choose between two actions:

A) To delete postings from a given source before downloading.

B) To download them first, then skip those which aren't interesting.

The snag is using a connection for which I pay by the minute. Thus postings
from people whose comments I may wish to read may also cost me extra cash
to re-read unsnipped copies of what I've already seen. If your postings
routinely annoyed me, then yes, I could then delete them all and not
download them. However since I find many of your postings interesting I
download them.

The problem is a minor one provided the practice isn't widespread. However
for the above reason some of us wish to encourage snipping when this this
possible.



However: My apologies if my comment offended/irritated you.

Apology refused - not necessary....

OK. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


For example, I'm hoping later today to search for the 'Hiraga' article
on MC cartridges that KG mentioned a while ago. I think I recall the
gist of it, but am far from sure, so want to read it again before
deciding if a comment might be useful.


Do you mean me? - If so, I don't remember that???

You are correct. My error. The comment about Hiraga was made by Andy.

Slainte,

Jim

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