On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:26:48 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:53:21 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Church seems to shape up as a should-be-retired BS artist backed
up with obsolete audio knowlege and ancient test equipment. He's
hardly a threat to SP, let alone me.

Now what makes you think I have any intention of being a threat to
anyone. Your paragraph smacks of insecurity methinks.

So you set yourself even above SP?
Care to tell us of your pedigree Arny?

By audio rottweiler out of an ABX box. He has a very useful audio
website, but he's a royal US pain in the ass. I'd rather he wasn't
'helping' me................

It's my way of sticking it to you Pinkie, for all those years of gratuitous
abuse you've heaped on me.

Never gratuitous Arny, always well-deserved!
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On 27 Oct 2004 08:51:14 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Instead of joining the arguments, why don't you give us the benefit of your
long experience as a 'recording professional'?

This is yet another instance of engineers trying to run this group and talk
down to the musicians and audio amateurs on it. Believe me, this is only making
matters worse.

It's an *audio* newsgroup, or hadn't you noticed?

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:49:28 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On 26 Oct 2004 20:42:58 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

I am in fact one of the most prolific posters in rec.audio.high-end,
another
moderated group (SP)

So why can't you behave politely on this ng - you say you can, so is it
that
you just don't give a damn for your own countrymen?

Usenet is international, and I respond as I find. UKRA used to be a
quite civil group, until the valves 'n vinyl clowns came crawling back
from the defunct UKRAV.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering



Really?
A little exercise folks:

Google "Stewart Pinkerton" Groups

What a wonderful legacy that goes way back. It appears the whole world is
out of step with you :-)

Ah, Alan Derrida - how that takes me back! You'll notice that I
unsubscribed from the cesspit that is r.a.o several years ago.

It's only the retro valvies and vinyl huggers who are out of step, I'm
definitely representative of mainstream audio.

77,000 posts? I spend *way* too long at this keyboard!!
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:33:25 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On 26 Oct 2004 20:42:58 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

I am in fact one of the most prolific posters in rec.audio.high-end,
another
moderated group (SP)

So why can't you behave politely on this ng - you say you can, so is it
that
you just don't give a damn for your own countrymen?


It's called 'arrogance' - a quality displayed by some people who aren't too
bright, despite a *possibly* extensive armoury of 'factoids' which may (or
may not) masquerade as 'knowledge'. (Certainly doesn't masquerade as
'wisdom'...) Frequently results in their rejection by their 'chosen field of
expertise' and has them scraping a living in places like 'Print Rooms'....

Well, I get paid more than I used to anywhere except private
consultancy, so I guess I'm scraping along OK! :-)

Usenet is international, and I respond as I find. UKRA used to be a
quite civil group, until the valves 'n vinyl clowns came crawling back
from the defunct UKRAV.

Ludicrous ******** as usual.....

.... and 'selectively' remembered: UKRA was so *not* 'civil' that the vinyl
group was mooted in the first place and, secondly, the 'valves 'n vinyl
clowns' never left this group. The vinyl group was intended to take out of
this group the 'contentiousness' that has got it the reputation it now has
(as a sewer) with a lot of 'audio enthusiast' who don't subscribe here or
who only lurk, not wishing to get involved in the proceedings.

(Can't say I blame 'em...)

What is most interesting is that the first to show up there were the
bigots - frightened that they were missing something....

Well of course - it was the bigots who set it up! Some of us more
rational types popped in to give genuine advice on how to get the best
from vinyl, and the group had a 'RAT'-like cordiality, as even you
would have to admit. However, it ran out of interest very rapidly, and
is now moribund, so the valvies and vinyl huggers have returned to
spreading their misinformation on UKRA, although they do keep whining
abouit how they're not allowed to get away with all the crap they
spout. Tough. You tried to build your own little circle-jerk
playground, and it fell apart, so don't whine about this one.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Iain M Churches wrote:

Am I going to get showered with Anglo-saxon
vocabulary:-(((((

No.

I once worked on an amazing album produced by Kevin Daly, called
"The Wonder of the Age" Mr Edison's Talking Machine."
My sleeve credit was "The Edison Phonograph operated by
Mr Iain Churches (gent) I must dig it out.

That's more like it.
Anecdotes from the recording studio will be appreciated here.

--
Eiron.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:51:30 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:10:01 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
Thirty years in electronics design, mostly for Marconi Instruments and
Hughes Aircraft. Precision analogue specialist, did most of my best
work on torpedo and missile test gear.

That's prety impressive Stewart. So what are you doing working in
a print room?

Making money and enjoying an easy life! :-)

So low motivation then?

Oh no, I'm *always* motivated to make money! :-)

BTW, the valvies like to joke about that, but the 'print room' is the
central print and distribution system of Royal Bank of Scotland Group,
Royal Mail's second biggest customer after the government, the biggest
financial services printing operation in Europe, and puts over six
million packets into the mail every week. That takes a leetle bit of
engineering effort..................

Sounds incredibly boring:-((
But to each his own.

It's not the most exciting thing I've ever done, but it gets me
through the day!

I hope the Royal Bank of Scotland is a bit more efficient than the
Royal Mail, which acccording to a recent survey in The European,
has the worst delivery service of any in Western Europe.
The devil in me might suggest that you write the envelopes in
a clearer hand:-))

It's the slobber from all the girls who lick the stamps, that causes
the problem.......................
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:34:48 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

BTW, the valvies like to joke about that, but the 'print room' is the
central print and distribution system of Royal Bank of Scotland Group,
Royal Mail's second biggest customer after the government, the biggest
financial services printing operation in Europe, and puts over six
million packets into the mail every week. That takes a leetle bit of
engineering effort..................

Pinky's managed to duck out of describing his precise rôle in this
stupendously dreary-sounding enterprise on a number of occasions.

I have several hats, depending what needs doing. Project management on
occasion, document design and software architecture mostly, and
hardware fiddling rarely.

So far all
we've had is he's 'handy to re-route electrons occasionally' but is
apparently not allowed to run extension leads??

Sure, we have electricians for that. It's a H&S thing. OTOH, they do
let me play with the IBM HA80 servers quite a bit.

(He never seems to refute
any suggestions involving the unclogging of the spout on the coffee machine,
however.... ;-)

As it happens, it was serviced today, so no problem there!

Sounds incredibly boring:-((

Does it not?

When we have a live problem and the machines shut down, losing us
about 80,000 envelopes an hour, it definitely creates a pucker! :-)
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:56:53 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Yet on this occasion you gave as a 'reason'
for you failure to snip the fact that someone else failed to do so.

It's a little more than that - I took exception at being singled out for
this criticism when I don't think I have ever been the worst offender in
this group. Despite a little effort (which won't last for long) this
morning, a facet of Pinketon's insufferable arrogance is that he doesn't
ever *normally* trouble himself to snip posts. I got fed up with doing it
for him a long time ago - if he can't be bothered to make his replies easier
to read for me, then why should I bother to do it for him?

As previously noted, that is a flat lie. I *invariably* trim posts
down to relevant content. IMO, of course.

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On 27 Oct 2004 08:47:21 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

As regards engineers, musicians and audio amateurs we have another problem.
there is a group of engineers who take it as their God given right to direct
the flow of posts in 'engineering' terms - the most blatent is the statement
'Audio is Engineering'.

It is, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a cretin. That plain enough
for you?

This has to stop if we are going to get any kind of
tolerance. This group contains professional musicians who have every right to
claim expertise in the musical sense and audio amateurs who have every right to
talk about their systems and use the vocabulary they are familiar with.

And no one is stopping them from doing just that. It's only when they
make wrong-headed *technical* claims that they get flak.

If you
raise the case in point, you say yourself that the word 'transparent' makes you
uncomfortable. Yet you know that the word is being used purely in a general
sense by somebody who has usually made some tweaks and is hearing more apparent
detail from his listening sources. You know that this is the word people are
going to use, because people HAVE to use words to describe sound on this ng
(we've been through the winetaster analogy). So clearly the engineers need to
be tolerant of the musicians and audio amateurs. This is just NOT HAPPENING.

Who has ever complained about the use of the word 'transparency'? I
use it all the time.

I
see no way it is going to happen either. If you have any ideas about how
engineers can behave more tolerantly to audio amateurs and musicians I'd very
much like to hear them. I can tell you that audio amateurs and musicians are
not going to climb down and bow to the engineers, because we've taken quite
enough insults and we're not prepared to take any more.

We engineers could of course say exactly the same................
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Iain M Churches wrote:

Am I going to get showered with Anglo-saxon
vocabulary:-(((((

No.

Phew, what a welcome relief:-))

I once worked on an amazing album produced by Kevin Daly, called
"The Wonder of the Age" Mr Edison's Talking Machine."
My sleeve credit was "The Edison Phonograph operated by
Mr Iain Churches (gent) I must dig it out.

That's more like it.
Anecdotes from the recording studio will be appreciated here.

Yes. Let's relax a little, and do some hatchet (stylus) burying:;-)


We had a large number of cylinders, which we transferred to analogue
tape. It was a lot of fun. I was surprised to find that cylinders of the
same
title by the same artist were often different takes!

This was linear recording at its finest:-) No radius effect as on vinyl:-)
The shellac dries out pretty hard, so after half a century the surfaces were
pretty noisy.

This album is probably long deleted. If I can find my reference copy I will
transfer it to CD, I have a "proper" audio CD recorder.

Tallking of anecdotes, I am reminded about a colleague of mine who left
Decca for a more lucrative post at Island Studios, which was then located in
a former warehouse building in NW London. At night, when it was quiet,
he noticed there were rodents, of all varieties dashing about, so when
he worked in the evenings, he used to take his cat to work with him.

This cat, which was pure black with huge green eyes, used to sit on the top
of
the console, dead centre, and seemed to listen to the mix. Sometimes he
would jump down and slink off in disapproval, sometimes not.
So he became something of a lucky charm, an omen.

People used to ask for the cat, called Maurice, later Maurice Dolby, to be
present on their sessions. If he sat there on the mixer for a longer period,
it was
a clear sign that he enjoyed the music. It is rumoured that the services of
Maurice
were added to the studio price list, and my pal made a few bob out of the
deal.


Halcyon days:-))

Iain