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Jim Lesurf November 12th 04 08:56 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 
In article , Phil North
wrote:

Now if people buying valve gear would just say its because they
*prefer* the sound rather than saying the sound is *better* (how can
it be given SS systems can reproduce it), there would be no problems
:-)


Is it possible to prefer something and not think that it is better at
the same time?


For me, the key point here is that 'better' is a term that is defined in
different ways by different people. Hence unless people first agree upon
the specific definition they are using, employing the word 'better' tends
to lead to arguments at cross-purposes.

For that reason, it is a word best used sparingly and with care in this
context.

Slainte,

Jim

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Ian Molton November 12th 04 09:10 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale DiamondII's
 
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Ian Molton" wrote in message


How big are the features on a typical mask used in photolithography
then?


At one time they were quite large. In some processes there is no mask - the
pattern is written directly on the wafer.


Interesting. when you say directly, howso? burnt by a laser and etched?

Indeed - but is the mask that fine or is the image focued through a
much bigger mask?


If a mask is used, its far larger than the finished product.


Out of curiostiy, how big?

Ian Molton November 12th 04 09:14 AM

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Kurt Hamster wrote:

Which have **** all do do with anything as the converse is also true
given the relevant EQ etc etc etc...


What if the valve amps distortion has a non-reversible transfer
function? un-eq-ing distortion is not always possible.


What if, what if, what if...


You want me to make that more concrete?

Ok, you tell me how you would go about un-eq-ing a clipped waveform.

I await your response.

Here's a little trick which surprisingly works.

Turn your thermostat down 1 or 2 degrees and leave the heating on ALL
the time, not just in the morning and evening. I guarantee you will save
money and the house will be a warmer place 24/7.


Oddly enough, I've discovered that already ;-)

during summer the thing is only used for hot water (and one radiator
which we cant shut off due to stupid design of the system...)


Ian Molton November 12th 04 09:25 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale DiamondII's
 
Keith G wrote:
"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:27:29 GMT, Trevor Wilson used

a lot of quoting to say very little...


Certainly it does - if music/voices on my kit didn't sound exactly like
I
expect it/them to, I'd get rid.

**So, you have no way to verify what you think it should sound like? How
do
you know that your source is accurate?


Does it actually matter in the scheme of things, so long as what comes
out at this end is enjoyable?





Ain't *hard* is it....???



So, basically, Keith, you're saying that its ok for a vinylite to make
claims that a recording is true to the original without ever having
heard it, but that it isnt OK for a 'digi****' to make the claim that a
recording is true to the original, having actually heard it...

to quote you... 'ya hafta fekkin' larf'

Keith G November 12th 04 09:46 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Kurt Hamster" wrote


Ain't *hard* is it....???



So, basically, Keith, you're saying that its ok for a vinylite to make
claims that a recording is true to the original without ever having
heard it, but that it isnt OK for a 'digi****' to make the claim that a
recording is true to the original, having actually heard it...

to quote you... 'ya hafta fekkin' larf'


When has he ever said that it's true to the original?

The minute you have to make stuff up your credibility takes a nosedive,
e.g. look what it's done for Pinky.



OK Kurt, thanks for pulling that through - what part of 'you're binned' to
these clowns have the most trouble with?? How long has this idiot been
replying to my posts?

Anyway, just to say thanks for putting the **** right - that's their SOP
isn't it, concocting a lying little phrase of bull**** to have a nice little
argument with??

:-)

(Don't really need us at all, do they?? ;-)

Ya hafta fekkin' larf.....











Dave Plowman (News) November 12th 04 09:47 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 
In article ,
Paul Dormer wrote:
Yes. I prefer to wear a mechanical wris****ch, but I cheerfully
ackowledge that it's not as good a timekeeper as the average £5 job
off the market.


That's dishonest.. you already stated you think they are overall
better on the basis of look and feel and over-engineering. Accuracy is
obviously a low priority to you for such pieces. Only a total headcase
would pay over the odds for something they know to be worse, without
any other justification. You can't have it both ways, hypocrite.


Think you've missed the point. No one gets shot down in flames for saying
they prefer the sound of a valve amp - or when they wish to discuss its
various pros and cons. That's merely expressing a preference, as we are
all entitled to do.
But when 'they' endow that said valve amp with some form of magical
properties - as they invariably do - that's a different matter.

Bit like saying 'I prefer an analogue watch because I can see behind the
hands into time itself'...

--
*Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) November 12th 04 09:49 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 
In article ,
Tat Chan wrote:
I am sure you will have studied physics, name me one case where
perception does reflect exactly what is actually going on ?


Like a wheel looking like it is spinning backwards once the frequency of
rotation goes past a certain threshold?


That's purely shutter effect. And doesn't reflect what is actually going
on.

--
*Give me ambiguity or give me something else.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) November 12th 04 10:01 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 
In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
Then this is purely down to reducing the maximum temperature - not
leaving
it on 24 hours.


Nope. It's because the boiler isn't running flat out for several hours
in the morning and the same again at night. It is now just coming on for
short periods just to top up the temperature.


It's the total amount of gas consumed that matters - not what the boiler
is doing at any one time. It's true a condensing boiler is slightly more
efficient when running in condensing mode rather than flat out, but this
doesn't make up for keeping the house at the same high temperature 24
hours.

Did you think I was guessing?


Since you do about near everything else, why not this?


I rarely guess about something I care about.


FWIW, this isn't a matter of my opinion. Do some research if my word
isn't good enough. Which I'll expect you'll agree with.


This isn't a matter of my opinion. My gas bills tell me it works. I
choose them over you, natch!


You've made the classic mistake - so common on here - of advocating two
lines of action, reducing the overall temperture while running it 24
hours. And attributing the savings to the wrong one - running it 24 hours.

Fit a programmable thermostat as I recommended and you'll get even greater
savings.

--
*If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

mick November 12th 04 10:10 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:25:00 +0000, Jim Lesurf wrote:

I'm not claiming that these are my own views. I generally don't consider
an amp bad unless I can hear the problems or it makes something smoke!


Since you say the above is based upon "some research" can you perhaps give
us references for the sources of the above? What you say does not seem to
completely agree with things I have read or experienced.


I'll have a look, Jim. I'm not sure where I have seen this stuff but I'm
pretty sure that it was on the web somewhere. I'll see if my history file
goes back far enough, otherwise its a new search!

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info



Keith G November 12th 04 10:25 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote


snip ****e


Feeling better now, dearie? :-)

MY my, you *really* don't like your pathetic prejudices being
permanently pricked by perceptive persons, do you? Your fellow hairy
arsed truckers must have had a real laugh when you weren't around, you
strutting ****. Didn't we just hoot when you put up that piccie of the
big strong boy with his shotgun, boasting about bending the girl in
the piccie over a desk. Posey **** - and no gentleman.




Well, thank **** for this one - I pulled you out if the ****ter this morning
and hosed you off before going for the posts and up 'til now I've been
resenting the wasted effort......

OK, let's put you right on a few things - you're starting to make yourself
look like a silly little boy again.....

First, I noticed your posts/insults are steadily getting a little more 'gay'
??? - Doesn't bother me, I promise you, but are you comfortable with it??
(SOP when pansies like you fetch up hard in the real world I know, but you
might want to keep an eye on it....??)

Next, despite giving you a very strong clue (you obviously have *no* idea
what Browning and Miroku shotguns look like) I think you have picked the
wrong 'strutting ****'. Look again - you really think I'd stand next to my
own 'bit o' stuff'** in a picture where my old woman could see it?? (Not
really very bright are you, sunshine...?? :-)

(But that's so *you* isn't it ? - Know it all, but know absolutely
*****-all* when it really comes down to it.....)

Lastly, who's this 'we' - did you call the old woman over to the screen when
you downloaded the pic, or just go out a grab a couple of neighbours...??

'We'....!!!?? :-)

:-)

Ya hafta fekkin' larf.....


** and in the back of my LWB Land Rover an hour or two after that pic was
taken....!! ;-))

OK, better clue you in a bit here - I can see it's all going straight over
your head. Talking 80s here - where anybody with a set was out doing
it/building up their own businesses/having a bit of fun/giving some and
getting some and generally getting about a bit. Not trekking backwards and
forwards to some ****pot index-linked office-based drudgery, looking forward
to some pathetic week in the sun and building up a cheesey CD collection
with a planned, regular weekly purchase. (See? I was even spared that!!)

Tell ya what, try and get yer money back Pinky - I think you've been diddled
and missed out on a lot of fun in your life!!! :-)))

(Anyway, back in the ****ter later - a *promise*....!! ;-)






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