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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:32:53 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
**I'm waiting to hear your point. More correctly: Your excuse for your
terrible writing style and your general inability to understand basic
logic and reason. Perhaps you paid too much attention to a long dead
(and useless) language, rather than useful subjects.

Brain damage from years of alcohol abuse.


Heh heh! Another 'Magic Moment' from ' Maggot Mouth' - so ****ed up and so
fekkin' *wrong* as usual.... :-)

(Headed for the Guiness Book Of Records, if you ask me....)

**That would explain a great deal. I wish I'd known earlier. I have a
policy of not arguing with drunks, drug addicts, children and the aged.

Hmm, I'm 57, 100% teetotal and don't do drugs other than 'normal' ciggies -
so how do I qualify then, eh, Captain Copout??

Reformed alcoholic, but still addicted to nicotine? Seriously deranged
and dangerous!!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:07:10 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

And Trevor replied:

Hmm, I'm 57, 100% teetotal and don't do drugs other than 'normal'
ciggies - so how do I qualify then, eh, Captain Copout??

**I have news for you: "'normal'" ciggies are an highly efficient delivery
system for the most deadly drug in society. If you imagine that the hit
you recieve (within seconds) to your brain helps your thinking, you are in
for a shock. Nicotine shrinks blood vessels, thus restricting oxygenated
blood to the brain.

So? Your point being....???

The point he was making was that you *obviously* wouldn't understand
the point that he was making..................

Quod erat demonstrandum.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

valves are outdated technology?


Well, while you guys have been arguing I just sold a pair of my valve amps to
drive Quad ELS 57s. So, soldering iron out and on to the next. Andy

=== Andy Evans ===
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Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote


**That would explain a great deal. I wish I'd known earlier. I have a
policy of not arguing with drunks, drug addicts, children and the
aged.


Hmm, I'm 57, 100% teetotal and don't do drugs other than 'normal'
ciggies - so how do I qualify then, eh, Captain Copout??

**I have news for you: "'normal'" ciggies are an highly efficient
delivery system for the most deadly drug in society. If you imagine
that the hit you recieve (within seconds) to your brain helps your
thinking, you are in for a shock. Nicotine shrinks blood vessels, thus
restricting oxygenated blood to the brain.


So? Your point being....???

**You're a drug addict. You're addicted to a drug which alters your
ability to think rationally (particularly, if you are undergoing
withdrawal).


sniff

I got it under control, ain't I ???

sniff.....






I think you need to try a little harder, remember what they say:
"Diligentia maximum etiam mediocris ingeni subsidium!"

(Still don't get it? Oh well - "Such is life!!" ;-)

Don't suppose you know who said that either, do you......???

**I know who said it, here in Australia. In Pommyland, no.


Pommyland? Aw, how twee....! ;-)

**As any Pom who visits Australia will attest, the term: 'Pommyland'
quite normal.


Still twee....

(Tinnie? barbie? - all twee...)




OK, so what famous Australian said it then?

**Ned Kelly, of course. Every Australian schoolkid knows that.


OK.

(Wanted: Ned or Alive? :-)



(Kinda gives the game away dunnit? - *Famous Australian*!!?? - There was
only the *one*!!! :-)

**Nope. There have been a few.


Name two more then....

**OK.
Sir Howard Florey
Professor Earl Owen
Cliff Howard


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:10:39 +0000, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Tat Chan wrote:

that the function of valves as an amplifiing device is now obsolete as
it has been replaced by something cheaper and more efficient? (i.e. the
transistor)

Yep, agree with you there, cheaper and more efficient they are, linear
they are not.

Unfortunately for your line of reasoning, good SS amplifiers are
*massively* more linear than good valve amplifiers, even though
there's no *audible* difference. What you guys prefer are of course
*bad* valve amplifiers......... 'Nuff said? :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Trevor Wilson" wrote


**Nope. There have been a few.


Name two more then....

**OK.
Sir Howard Florey
Professor Earl Owen
Cliff Howard


Two? :-)

OK, never heard of any of them.....

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
As I said, you can waffle as much as you like. Transistor technology is
57 years old, any new advances are still based on old technology.

I wonder how many other words you use without understanding the meaning of
them?

--
*Certain frogs can be frozen solid, then thawed, and survive *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:
Brain damage from years of alcohol abuse.


Heh heh! Another 'Magic Moment' from ' Maggot Mouth' - so ****ed up
and so fekkin' *wrong* as usual.... :-)

(Headed for the Guiness Book Of Records, if you ask me....)



**That would explain a great deal. I wish I'd known earlier. I have a
policy of not arguing with drunks, drug addicts, children and the
aged.


Hmm, I'm 57, 100% teetotal and don't do drugs other than 'normal'
ciggies - so how do I qualify then, eh, Captain Copout??

The brain damage occurred while you were drinking. Giving up doesn't
repair that damage.

--
*A hangover is the wrath of grapes.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"mick" wrote


You have raised a very good point there.

We know that valve amps distort. We know that we can produce ss amps
with almost unmeasurable (never mind inaudible) distortion.

We also know that our hearing is non-linear in all sorts of ways. We know
that the ear/brain combination does some *very* strange things under
certain conditions. Our hearing has even been found to introduce its own
THD which can be at least partially measured using a microphone in the
middle ear.

Could it be possible that non-linearity and the built-in distortion
factor is what causes the difference in sound? That a perfect "wire with
gain" amplification is actually *wrong* for our ears simply because it
does *not* introduce the distortion that our hearing associates with
"real" sound?


Hmm, interesting. (Very.)


Following on from this hypothesis, I can see what the "valvies" mean by
the descriptions that they give (including the argued word "better"). I
can also see why some of them take a dislike to "ss" sound. Is the real
problem that in order to produce realistic-sounding results we *need* some
sort of distortion to fool our hearing into accepting the sound as real?


If it helps, as a valvie, I would like to state that when we are not put on
the defensive by 'sandampers' (who, for some strange reason, feel so bloody
*threatened*...??) it is not so much a case of actually disliking ss
amplification, but more a case of simply liking valves better.

That is to say, I (for one) can be listening to an ss amp quite happily
until the music is swapped to valves (damn near any valves - see below) when
at once the music becomes more 'easy' more 'dynamic and alive' and more
pleasant to listen to. Valve sound is also less fatiguing (actually not
fatiguing at all) compared with ss. Trust me there is no 'trade off' in
terms of definition, resolution etc. - quite the reverse, in fact. Some say
ss amps are 'grainy' and 'mushy' by comparison. I make no such claims
myself - I would only say I find them planar and harsh (brittle?) by
comparison.

Earlier this evening I was swapping between two quite different valve
amp/speaker setups, one playing 256K MP3s from a computer hard disk and one
playing the CD of the same album. The object was to check that the MP3s
sounded as good as the CD, which I thought they did. I called Swim in for a
quick comparison and she picked setup A first time and setup B second time
without knowing what kit was being used in either case. Told me what I
wanted to know.

Now, slap a slice of vinyl down and suddenly it ain't quite so clear cut!!
;-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote


**Nope. There have been a few.


Name two more then....

**OK.
Sir Howard Florey - Penncillan
Professor Earl Owen - Microsurgery
Cliff Howard - Rotary Hoe


Two? :-)

OK, never heard of any of them.....

**In one way or another, it is highly likely that your life has been touched
by the innovations from these brilliant Aussies. I can accept that Howard
and Owen may be obscure, but surely you've heard of Florey?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au