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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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**Nope. Not even close. I prefer my amps with the following specs (at a
minimum):

Frequency response - DC - 100kHz. +/- 0.1dB
THD - 0.05% 20Hz - 20kHz
IMD - 0.05%
Damping factor - 100 (20Hz - 20kHz)
Etc


If there's just one thing I have learned over the years, HiFi must be 'THE
most subjective' hobby of the lot. Surely, you'd agree, no two pair of ears
are the same? This brings to mind the old adage, 'one mans meat is another
mans poison'!

Regards
tox

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"tox" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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**Nope. Not even close. I prefer my amps with the following specs (at a
minimum):

Frequency response - DC - 100kHz. +/- 0.1dB
THD - 0.05% 20Hz - 20kHz
IMD - 0.05%
Damping factor - 100 (20Hz - 20kHz)
Etc


If there's just one thing I have learned over the years, HiFi must be
'THE
most subjective' hobby of the lot. Surely, you'd agree, no two pair of
ears
are the same?

**Of course.

This brings to mind the old adage, 'one mans meat is another
mans poison'!

**No. Hi fi is about reproducing the original musical event as closely as
possible. PREFERENCE, is something else entirely.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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If there's just one thing I have learned over the years, HiFi must be
'THE
most subjective' hobby of the lot. Surely, you'd agree, no two pair of
ears
are the same?

**Of course.

This brings to mind the old adage, 'one mans meat is another
mans poison'!

**No. Hi fi is about reproducing the original musical event as closely as
possible. PREFERENCE, is something else entirely.


I'm not sure I follow your logic!

Regards
tox

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In article ,
tox wrote:
If there's just one thing I have learned over the years, HiFi must be
'THE most subjective' hobby of the lot. Surely, you'd agree, no two pair
of ears are the same? This brings to mind the old adage, 'one mans meat
is another mans poison'!

It shouldn't be subjective. You compare one 'component' to another using
proper testing where you don't know which one is in use - ie double blind
testing. Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean everyone will agree
which sounds 'best'.

If comparing a recorded medium - ie CD versus LP - you need to compare it
to the source it was recorded from.

Regardless of the source - either analogue tape or digital whatever - near
everyone will hear a difference between source and LP. When all they have
to do is state which is which - ie A or B. With CD under identical
circumstances few - very few, if any - will reliably tell which is which.

Which has nothing to do with a *preference* for one type of final
listening system.

--
*What boots up must come down *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:17:35 GMT, "tox"
wrote:


"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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**Nope. Not even close. I prefer my amps with the following specs (at a
minimum):

Frequency response - DC - 100kHz. +/- 0.1dB
THD - 0.05% 20Hz - 20kHz
IMD - 0.05%
Damping factor - 100 (20Hz - 20kHz)
Etc


If there's just one thing I have learned over the years, HiFi must be 'THE
most subjective' hobby of the lot. Surely, you'd agree, no two pair of ears
are the same?

Indeed so, but there is a well-defined limit to *anyone's* ears!

This brings to mind the old adage, 'one mans meat is another
mans poison'!

Yes, but this has nothing to do with *high fidelity* reproduction!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:04:40 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:



You're the kind of guy who thinks that a 'well-engineered' amplifier
is some 300-watt tubed monobloc monster. Oh, wait a minute....... :-)


Wait a minute indeed, that's Pat Turner. Oh well, one 'tweako freako'
weird Ozzie is much like another............. :-)


What, you think all Aussies look the same on UseNet?

;)

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:19:36 -0500, Kalman Rubinson
wrote:


It ain't about DVD-vs-CD players but about old-vs-new technology.


Good point, and it certainly seems to hold for the latest generation
of 'universal' players. My new (made in China) Pioneer DV-575A is
sonically indistinguishable from the Meridian 588 on CD,

that says a lot. Did you upgrade your Sony to a Meridian by any chane?

Hmmm, I have been itching to replace my 2nd gen Philips DVD player and 12 y.o.
Rotel CD player with the Pioneer 676A (local equivalent of the 575) but I can't
quite seem to justify the purchase ...


plays
anything that fits in the slot, and generates great pictures. It also
cost about a quarter of the DV-515 it replaced.


was the DV515 still working when you replaced it?

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:49:11 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:19:36 -0500, Kalman Rubinson
wrote:


It ain't about DVD-vs-CD players but about old-vs-new technology.


Good point, and it certainly seems to hold for the latest generation
of 'universal' players. My new (made in China) Pioneer DV-575A is
sonically indistinguishable from the Meridian 588 on CD,

that says a lot. Did you upgrade your Sony to a Meridian by any chane?

No, but a friend of mine reckoned that his 'high end' Meridian was
bound to be *way* superior to my 'Chinky cheapy' universal player. It
may be some time before I'm invited back........... :-)

Hmmm, I have been itching to replace my 2nd gen Philips DVD player and 12 y.o.
Rotel CD player with the Pioneer 676A (local equivalent of the 575) but I can't
quite seem to justify the purchase ...

Mine cost me £109. Surely can't be *that* hard to justify! I can't buy
a new tyre for that price.....................

plays
anything that fits in the slot, and generates great pictures. It also
cost about a quarter of the DV-515 it replaced.

was the DV515 still working when you replaced it?

It still is, now relegated to bedroomTV duty.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:20:19 +0100, Paul Dormer
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588.

Convinced yourself of that.... haven't you.

"Expectation effect"? ;-)

No, level-matched DBT. The owner of the 588 wasn't happy! :-)

Got anything other than snide content-free posts to contribute,
Dormouse?
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:22:51 +0100, Paul Dormer
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

Output ICs in 1983
(ie: First generation) CD players were superior.

Utter nonsense!

Hmmm...

Trevor is an established engineer who works on audio equipment day-in
day-out. Stewart is a technician (?) in a print room with a big gob.

Draw your own conclusions... ;-)

Trevor is a self-taught repairman who builds audio gear as a hobby
(and hooray to him for that). I've been a professional electronics
engineer for more than thirty years, I have worked with several of the
most respected electronics companies on the planet, and high-fidelity
music reproduction has been my passion for more than forty years.

Draw your own conclusions from that.

Further, and *much* more importantly, I back my posts with verifiable
facts, since I firmly believe that you're only as good as your last
post. If God posted that valve amps were more accurate than SS, I'd
call him an arsehole - and I'd go on to prove it.............

BTW, my print room doesn't have a big gob. If you're going to post in
English, at least learn the language.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering