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"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
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"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

Output ICs in 1983
(ie: First generation) CD players were superior.

Utter nonsense!

Hmmm...

Trevor is an established engineer who works on audio equipment day-in
day-out. Stewart is a technician (?) in a print room with a big gob.

Draw your own conclusions... ;-)

**Not quite. I believe that Stewart is an engineer, whose hobby is audio. I
am a trained (4 years, full time) technician. My training was in
communications, but encompassed a wide variety of subjects. My service
abilities appeared as a natural inclination, at about age 12, when I
repaired the family TV set, after my dad was given a huge (for those days)
quotation. It was so high, that he figured he'd let me try to fix it. By age
16 I was servicing my schoolmates' guitar amps. By 17, I was working (part
time) for a local music shop, performing all their electronic service
requirements. I did so, whilst still attending school. At 18, I was employed
and trained full time, by OTC (Overseas Telecommunications Commission). I
completed my training by age 22 and found myself being instructed by people
(Engineers) who knew far less about electronics than I did. When an
opportunity arose to become service manager for the local Marantz importer,
I grabbed it. I worked there for 5 years, then started my own business. I am
not an engineer, since an engineer has a university Degree. I do not.
However, whilst I know a few very smart engineers, I also know a few that do
not deserve the title. Stewart appears to be a competent engineer, based on
what he writes. Our major difference is just that I (probably) see a much
vaster range of equipment.


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www.rageaudio.com.au

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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 09:49:20 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
.. .
"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

Output ICs in 1983
(ie: First generation) CD players were superior.

Utter nonsense!

Hmmm...

Trevor is an established engineer who works on audio equipment day-in
day-out. Stewart is a technician (?) in a print room with a big gob.

Draw your own conclusions... ;-)

My conclusion? Dormouse is a failed wannabee who can never resist
spiteful gobbing from the sidelines, but has nothing of substance to
offer.

**Not quite. I believe that Stewart is an engineer, whose hobby is audio. I
am a trained (4 years, full time) technician.

And pretty competent, judging by your posts - with a few obvious
flaws, of course! :-)

It doesn't matter in this game whether you're a Nobel laureate or an
untrained hobbyist, it's what you *post* that counts. Clowns like
Churches seem to feel that others should bow down to his superior
'knowledge' because he gets paid to make recordings. Not gonna happen
on Usenet, baby! :-)

My training was in
communications, but encompassed a wide variety of subjects. My service
abilities appeared as a natural inclination, at about age 12, when I
repaired the family TV set, after my dad was given a huge (for those days)
quotation. It was so high, that he figured he'd let me try to fix it. By age
16 I was servicing my schoolmates' guitar amps. By 17, I was working (part
time) for a local music shop, performing all their electronic service
requirements.

Sounds vaguely familiar..............

I still remember going out on the **** with Billy Connelly after
working in Forbes Music Shop in Dundee, back when Billy was just a bad
banjo player who told jokes to stop the crowd pelting him.... :-)

I did so, whilst still attending school. At 18, I was employed
and trained full time, by OTC (Overseas Telecommunications Commission). I
completed my training by age 22 and found myself being instructed by people
(Engineers) who knew far less about electronics than I did.

Yup, still lots of 'paper engineers' around! :-)

When an
opportunity arose to become service manager for the local Marantz importer,
I grabbed it. I worked there for 5 years, then started my own business. I am
not an engineer, since an engineer has a university Degree. I do not.
However, whilst I know a few very smart engineers, I also know a few that do
not deserve the title.

I know *lots*! :-)

But then, I've worked for several major engineering companies, where
these bozos usually get bounced upstairs..... :-(

Stewart appears to be a competent engineer, based on
what he writes.

Aw, shucks! :-)

Our major difference is just that I (probably) see a much
vaster range of equipment.

That's almost certainly true, but OTOH, I maintain that output ICs in
1983 CD players were definitely not superior to those used in modern
players. In Meridian's case, until very recently, they were the same
5534s that they'd always used - despite much flak from dopey tweakos
(not you!) who insisted that you need video jobbies like OPA45s to get
the best from CD.

Me, I use SSM2131s for my own stuff, but I don't care about component
costs, because in this sense, I'm not being a *professional* engineer.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:14:15 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:

well, they cost £80 here, before haggling


So what's the problem? Gives great pictures, too.


that would make 2 boxes of electronics redundant ... ;)
While we are on the subject of the Pioneer 575 (I know this is uk.rec.audio, but
....) does the PAL Progressive Scan work on any TV or do I need a special
"Progressive Scan"-enabled TV?



And what sort of tyres do German cars need that cost more than £109? Top of the
line Pirelli Neros?


235/40x17 Continental Sport Contact II, on my Audi A6 3.0 Sport
Quattro. The 225/35x18 Michelin Pilots on my wife's TT are even more
expensive! :-(

Yeah well, that's part of the cost of maintaining a European car!

;)

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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:50:18 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:14:15 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:

While we are on the subject of the Pioneer 575 (I know this is uk.rec.audio, but
...) does the PAL Progressive Scan work on any TV or do I need a special
"Progressive Scan"-enabled TV?

You *always* need a display capable of progressive, despite some weird
press releases that might indicate otherwise.

And what sort of tyres do German cars need that cost more than £109? Top of the
line Pirelli Neros?

235/40x17 Continental Sport Contact II, on my Audi A6 3.0 Sport
Quattro. The 225/35x18 Michelin Pilots on my wife's TT are even more
expensive! :-(

Yeah well, that's part of the cost of maintaining a European car!

Or any other car using the same size tyres....................
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:36:37 +0100, Paul Dormer
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588.

Convinced yourself of that.... haven't you.

"Expectation effect"? ;-)

No, level-matched DBT. The owner of the 588 wasn't happy! :-)

DBTs are not immune to expectation effect...

Provided they are used (as they should be) on subjects who expect to
hear a difference, then they are.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 09:49:20 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

I still remember going out on the **** with Billy Connelly after
working in Forbes Music Shop in Dundee, back when Billy was just a bad
banjo player who told jokes to stop the crowd pelting him.... :-)

**I can name drop too.

I shared a few beers with Elle McPherson at a few of her dad's backyard BBQs
a few years back. I also assisted the delightful Hayley Mills and her
equally delightful dad ("don't call me Sir, just call me John") with some
audio gear a few years back. That's about it for me.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:05:48 +0100, Paul Dormer
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

Output ICs in 1983
(ie: First generation) CD players were superior.

Utter nonsense!

Hmmm...

Trevor is an established engineer who works on audio equipment day-in
day-out. Stewart is a technician (?) in a print room with a big gob.

Draw your own conclusions... ;-)

My conclusion? Dormouse is a failed wannabee

At what?

Life, clearly.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 01:08:05 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 09:49:20 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

I still remember going out on the **** with Billy Connelly after
working in Forbes Music Shop in Dundee, back when Billy was just a bad
banjo player who told jokes to stop the crowd pelting him.... :-)

**I can name drop too.

I shared a few beers with Elle McPherson at a few of her dad's backyard BBQs
a few years back. I also assisted the delightful Hayley Mills and her
equally delightful dad ("don't call me Sir, just call me John") with some
audio gear a few years back. That's about it for me.

Damn, I'll trade yours for mine any day! 'Sirens' is still one of my
favourite films................

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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In article , Paul Dormer
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" emitted :

Well I do use a Philips DVDR70 (DVD video recorder/player)

I've one of those (DVDR75). It's locked up a couple of times lately with
the RCOD - Red Circle of Death ;-) Was using brand new Philips media, so
that isn't the problem. Had any problems yourself or smooth running?

The DVDR70 I have does 'crash' every now and then. In particular, when
stopping and post-formatting or menu-updating a disc, or when finalising.
This either leads it into seeming to be trying to do the same thing
forever, or a 'red circle' and then shutdown. Trying to read/use a disc
that has been treated like this then shows it has been toasted.

This seems to happen about once every couple of months, and I need to
unplug the recorder from the mains for 30 secs to get it to restart and
work reliably.

In my case I use the TDK DVD+R/W discs as TDK CD-R's have worked well with
my CD-R recorder.

I did get an 'upgrade' disc[1] from Philips a few months ago and installed
the then-current version of the firmware. This seems to have reduced the
occurances of the problems, but not eliminated them.

[1] Actually, I got *three* upgrade discs as they kept promsing to send
one, and it didn't arrive, so every couple of weeks I'd phone again and
chase them. Got all kinds of excuses and inconsistent stories. Then three
upgrade packs were delivered by the postman one morning. :-)

When the DVDR70 works (most of the time) I regard it as excellent. Found it
*very* useful for recording Proms from BBCTV4 via DTTV. Gives excellent
results in my opinion. However the occasional crashes are annoying as they
mean 'lost' recordings.

I am hoping that in due course I will have some way to be able to read some
of the 'toasted' discs as some worked prior to the attempted finalisation,
so I assume the index and data are there on the temporary areas. I have
wondered if a sort of 'cover the finalised area with ink' fiddle might
work, but haven't been able to find info on this. The idea being to trick
the recorder into treating the disc as being 'unfinalised' as opposed to
being confused by the corrupted 'finalised' info.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Stewart
Pinkerton
wrote:

Damn, I'll trade yours for mine any day! 'Sirens' is still one of my
favourite films................

Afraid I can't name-drop any famous people. However does it count that I
flew a few times on Concorde 001 long before the later versions went into
passenger service? :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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