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Iain Churches April 26th 06 06:13 PM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:04:49 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Tell me summat. The (outrageous) little speakers it's feeding are stubborn
little barsterds at only 82 dB and the volume display**

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/display.JPG

reads -10 dB for *loud* - does this matter, being SS an' all...??

(Fit were valves you'd think you were out of the optimum operating
range....

Hi Keith,

One of the nice things about modern SS amps is that the 'optimum
operating point' is anywhare from the noise floor up to 90% of full
power, so as long as the little beastie isn't audibly clipping,
there's no problem. In fact, I have my own main system set up so that
the volume control is at -6dB at the clipping point for 0dB FS on my
CD player. Gives you much more control when playing quietly, as
opposed to so many lunatic mainstream amps where you can only use the
bottom quarter of the control. I guess there really are people so dumb
that they think an amp is more powerful if you get full output with
the volume control only a quarter up....

These days, at least as far as valve amps are concerned there is
no need, with the exception of RIAA, for high gain preamp stages.
I think that Morgan J got it right when he stated that an ideal
sensitivity for a valve power amp was 2V for full power, so
that a power amp with a stepped attenuator on it's grid can
be fed direct from a CD player. I followed his advice on my
50W push pull parallel power amplifier, which runs with the
gain control nicely between 1 and 3 o-clock.

He also said "No preamplifier is better than any preamplifier"
Clever people these Welshmen:-)

In these days of high level sources, pentode front ends are definitely
out of fashion:-)

Iain



Eiron April 26th 06 06:54 PM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 
Iain Churches wrote:

These days, at least as far as valve amps are concerned there is
no need, with the exception of RIAA, for high gain preamp stages.
I think that Morgan J got it right when he stated that an ideal
sensitivity for a valve power amp was 2V for full power, so
that a power amp with a stepped attenuator on it's grid can
be fed direct from a CD player. I followed his advice on my
50W push pull parallel power amplifier, which runs with the
gain control nicely between 1 and 3 o-clock.


Just checked my old Pioneer - 0dB is 2.335v rms or 0.9w into 6ohm.
I think I'll build a KISS amp with one power darlington transistor,
as I have a pair in the junkbox. Modern CDs are at 0dB all of the time
so no gain will be required.

--
Eiron

No good deed ever goes unpunished.

tony broughton April 26th 06 10:09 PM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 
I just did:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/AS%20SP101.JPG

Cracking little bugger for only 60 quid brand new with warranty!!


You really can do better than that. Get yourself a NAD 3020 or a
Cyrus 1 from ebay. They can be had for around 30-40 quid, both types
are pretty robust and long lasting and have decent sound quality
for the money. Either will completely toast the one in your picture.

Tony


Keith G April 27th 06 11:44 AM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote

(Hint: Never mind how things were *meant* to look/sound/taste &c. - what
do
*you* think of what you've actually *got*? ;-)


Sure I do that, but I like the added dimension. I mean just think - if
you could meet the performer and he said, "try listening to it this
way", you might get a bit more out of it.



Meet the performer....???

(How many people get to do that?)

Hookay, Donald....

It's a nice day and there's new kit to play wiv, so the avoidance of serious
work is being undertaken with some rigour shay mwah....**

I've recorded a whole side of a fairly wacky album (Side 2 first,
naturally..) with the new/old Technics deck on the new/new toy amp's own
phono stage and my recently acquired new/old/NOS Goldring Mk II high output
(2.5 mV) MC cart.

Here is the first track for your delectation and approbation:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2006.mp3

Let me know if you can take/want more (there is some diversity between the
ensuing trax)...

Enjoy!!

:-)



**Although I'm gonna hafta get the hoover out and dynamite the bog at some
stage - due to an audiophile guest coming round this evening!! :-)





Don Pearce April 27th 06 07:22 PM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:44:11 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Here is the first track for your delectation and approbation:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2006.mp3

Let me know if you can take/want more (there is some diversity between the
ensuing trax)...

Enjoy!!

:-)


Now that is oddball - not sure I would want any more. Sounds like the
riff from "Wall Street Shuffle". Not the sort of thing could make an
assessment from, though.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Wally April 29th 06 10:59 AM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 
tony broughton wrote:

You really can do better than that. Get yourself a NAD 3020 or a
Cyrus 1 from ebay. They can be had for around 30-40 quid, both types
are pretty robust and long lasting and have decent sound quality
for the money. Either will completely toast the one in your picture.


My observations of Cyrus 1s is that they go for more like 80 quid - I
considered one for a while, until I realised that Cyrus 2s often go for
similar money (normally about 120, but they vary quite a bit). My 25 quid C2
was pure luck - right place at the right time.


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk



Keith G April 29th 06 11:06 AM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:44:11 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Here is the first track for your delectation and approbation:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2006.mp3

Let me know if you can take/want more (there is some diversity between the
ensuing trax)...

Enjoy!!

:-)


Now that is oddball - not sure I would want any more.



Well, it looks like you won't be getting any! I tried to (maybe even did)
upload a couple more tracks but the website is fuct. (I don't know if it's
just me or Pipex falling on its arse again!!??)


Sounds like the
riff from "Wall Street Shuffle". Not the sort of thing could make an
assessment from, though.



Wasn't really looking for an 'assessment' this time - the track was purely
for your 'delectation and approbation' as above!! :-)

(Comparisons are another matter....)





Keith G May 4th 06 10:12 AM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:44:11 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Here is the first track for your delectation and approbation:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2006.mp3

Let me know if you can take/want more (there is some diversity between the
ensuing trax)...

Enjoy!!

:-)


Now that is oddball - not sure I would want any more. Sounds like the
riff from "Wall Street Shuffle". Not the sort of thing could make an
assessment from, though.




OK, Pipex seems to be back (avoid those arseholes like the plague, btw), so
here's two more trax from the same side:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2008.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2010.mp3

(Diverse ain't it? ;-)


Two questions:

What is the tiny voice (female?) in the background of track 10 at 1:02
saying? Sounds summat like "xxx xxx xxx yet?"....???

Now, an *assessment* - how bad IYO is the overall sound for an LP recorded
to hard disk from a 40 quid eBay Technics DD and a 50 quid POS* Argos amp on
its own phono stage? (Trouble is it was so long ago now I can't remember
which damn cart it was!!)


*Arny's transatlantic dismissal of yet another amplifier he hasn't even
heard....!! ;-)






Don Pearce May 4th 06 10:27 AM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 
On Thu, 4 May 2006 11:12:55 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:44:11 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Here is the first track for your delectation and approbation:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2006.mp3

Let me know if you can take/want more (there is some diversity between the
ensuing trax)...

Enjoy!!

:-)


Now that is oddball - not sure I would want any more. Sounds like the
riff from "Wall Street Shuffle". Not the sort of thing could make an
assessment from, though.




OK, Pipex seems to be back (avoid those arseholes like the plague, btw), so
here's two more trax from the same side:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2008.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2010.mp3

(Diverse ain't it? ;-)

Too true - I quite like the vibe on 10, although I could do with it
being less tinny.

Track 8, I have to ask what is it for? It sounds like it might be a
bit of incidental music from a film or TV show. Again no bottom end,
though - 65Hz is quite strong, but nothing below that.


Two questions:

What is the tiny voice (female?) in the background of track 10 at 1:02
saying? Sounds summat like "xxx xxx xxx yet?"....???

I think she is saying "do you know if he's in yet?", although the
first words are drowned out by the singer.

Now, an *assessment* - how bad IYO is the overall sound for an LP recorded
to hard disk from a 40 quid eBay Technics DD and a 50 quid POS* Argos amp on
its own phono stage? (Trouble is it was so long ago now I can't remember
which damn cart it was!!)


Well, the assessment would be that it has gone well, although the
frequency range and dynamics represented here (the bit with the female
speaking is very noisy) are hardly taxing. And you could chop off
everything below about 60Hz without loss. But that isn't the fault of
your system - that's just how the record is.


*Arny's transatlantic dismissal of yet another amplifier he hasn't even
heard....!! ;-)




Move over to Plusnet. You can earn me an introductory commission as
well! ;-)

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

tony sayer May 4th 06 10:49 AM

from another forum anyone any idea whats broke ?
 
Move over to Plusnet. You can earn me an introductory commission as
well! ;-)


But aren't they all as bad as the BT they depend on?......
d


--
Tony Sayer



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