"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The worst offender here by far is Plowie - he hands it out like we have
all just got off the boat, but he don't got the balls to back up the
crap he posts with any concrete evidence or specific information.

Sigh. You prefer vinyl to CD. So in many ways have just got off the boat.

Take a CD and copy it to another CD. You'll not tell the difference
between them.

Take that same CD and copy it to LP. You'll instantly tell the LP copy
from the CD master.

This means LP is *adding* something to the audio that it shouldn't.


Dear oh dear...

Is that what this is all about? You still trying to win the Vinyl Wars? (See
below...)

Vinyl is stronger than it has been for the last two decades - every
turntable manufacturer in the world has brought out new models and even
people like MF and EAR have got into it. Competition for high quality
turntables and vinyl accessories on eBay is ferocious, cartridge/deck
manufacturers are bringing out new models and the DJ scene has never been
healthier!

You lost. Get over it....


That you choose to ignore this most fundamental of flaws means you're
really not worth trying to educate over other matters like horn
colouration, break up of cones with full range drivers, etc etc.


Educate?

You really think I need/could get an education from you? (You really think
you're placed to educate me?)

Laughable!



I'm happy that you enjoy your hobby and certainly that you make so much
of your own bits and bobs, but when your flowery descriptions of just how
much improved the latest one is over last weeks delight read like the very
worst excesses of the Hi-Fi press.


They what....??


That made most genuine sound
enthusiasts simply stop buying them.


WTF is a 'sound enthusiast'...??



--
*I pretend to work. - they pretend to pay me.


Once again, the silly tagline is the only true bit of Banzai Plowie's post!
(See below...)



Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


Except nobody ever does....


[Banzai Plowie]

Plowie can't get used to the idea that vinyl *sounds* better and despite all
his efforts in the past he hasn't been able to stop a single person enjoying
it - he's like one of those WW2 Banzai Japs who spent 30 years defending a
deserted island in the Pacific against *nobody* for 30 years, until they
were lured out of their foxholes by a pack of Luckies and the promise of a
Jane Russell movie!!

YHFL...

:-)

Keith G wrote:


Plowie can't get used to the idea that vinyl *sounds* better....

Only to some Keith, not to everyone, and certainly not to me.

S.

Plowie can't get used to the idea that vinyl *sounds* better....

Only to some Keith, not to everyone, and certainly not to me.

S.

Well, yeah. I have a pretty ok turntable: PT TOO with RB300 and
Sumiko BPS Evo III cartridge. It is good. But largely, I kinda get off
on knowing it's good - far better than most non-Hi-fi people's
crappy record players - and that does add to the experience when I
listen to it. But I know deep down that technically, the fidelity isn't
as good as that from the 400 quid CD player (Marantz CD63 MkII SE).
Or even from a 60 quid CD (if I had one), let's not kid ourselves.

Recently, I thought I'd killed the Sumiko cartridge during a rather
****ed listening session when I had this girl friend around and we had
a great day. I whipped her. It was great. She loved it! So I kinda
thought: "Well, I can't afford to replace it right now and it's not
good, but it was such a nice day that I can be philosophical about
it.". 2 weeks later I thought "**** it, one channel on the cartridge
is dead, but I REALLY wanna hear this Stevie track (see below) that
I'll put up with only hearing it out of one side.". So I put it on, and
BOTH CHANNELS WORKED!!! Wow! Cash back! Turns out that the Pro-Ject
Tube Box seems to have a dodgy channel and if it does that (as it
did again later), if I turn it off, and then turn it on again, the
missing channel comes back. Phew!

I'm just ****ed off that I can't get the following 2 tracks on high
quality MP3 or CD, cos I only have them on the flip side of 12 inch
singles and I love them so much and have played them so much that the
vinyl is now ****ed, cos I've had them both since I was 17, half my
life ago now:

Stevie Nicks - "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You" (live)
Tanita Tikaram - "Friends"

Dammit. There comes a time when the scratches and groove damage
get too much even for me. I do still listen to them, but they don't
sound so good any more.


Martin
--
M.A.Poyser Tel.: 07967 110890
Manchester, U.K. http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=fleetie

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:


Plowie can't get used to the idea that vinyl *sounds* better....

Only to some Keith, not to everyone, and certainly not to me.

S.




****, that's torn it! - It'll be Pearl Harbour all over again!!

:-)

"Fleetie" wrote in message
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Plowie can't get used to the idea that vinyl *sounds* better....

Only to some Keith, not to everyone, and certainly not to me.

S.

Well, yeah. I have a pretty ok turntable: PT TOO with RB300 and
Sumiko BPS Evo III cartridge. It is good. But largely, I kinda get off
on knowing it's good - far better than most non-Hi-fi people's
crappy record players - and that does add to the experience when I
listen to it. But I know deep down that technically, the fidelity isn't
as good as that from the 400 quid CD player (Marantz CD63 MkII SE).
Or even from a 60 quid CD (if I had one), let's not kid ourselves.


Hmm, my 'daily' record deck cost just over 30 quid....

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The worst offender here by far is Plowie - he hands it out like we
have all just got off the boat, but he don't got the balls to back up
the crap he posts with any concrete evidence or specific information.

Sigh. You prefer vinyl to CD. So in many ways have just got off the
boat.

Take a CD and copy it to another CD. You'll not tell the difference
between them.

Take that same CD and copy it to LP. You'll instantly tell the LP copy
from the CD master.

This means LP is *adding* something to the audio that it shouldn't.


Dear oh dear...

Is that what this is all about? You still trying to win the Vinyl Wars?
(See below...)

Err, no. It was an example of how your whole thinking is flawed. You are
looking for an extremely coloured unnatural sound - and of course each
change you make sounds different and suits you for a day or so. You are
searching for some sort of holy grail that simply doesn't exist.

Vinyl is stronger than it has been for the last two decades - every
turntable manufacturer in the world has brought out new models and even
people like MF and EAR have got into it. Competition for high quality
turntables and vinyl accessories on eBay is ferocious, cartridge/deck
manufacturers are bringing out new models and the DJ scene has never
been healthier!

You lost. Get over it....

You really didn't understand the bit about vinyl *adding* to the sound,
did you? Or how it also applies to horn enclosures and 'wide range' single
drivers? Poorly designed valve amps too?
These things were known many many years ago - but you appear to be trying
to re-invent the wheel.


That you choose to ignore this most fundamental of flaws means you're
really not worth trying to educate over other matters like horn
colouration, break up of cones with full range drivers, etc etc.


Educate?

You really think I need/could get an education from you? (You really
think you're placed to educate me?)

Laughable!

No - I consider you beyond education. But five minutes reading some basic
books on audio design would increase your knowledge multifold.



I'm happy that you enjoy your hobby and certainly that you make so
much of your own bits and bobs, but when your flowery descriptions of
just how much improved the latest one is over last weeks delight read
like the very worst excesses of the Hi-Fi press.


They what....??


That made most genuine sound
enthusiasts simply stop buying them.


WTF is a 'sound enthusiast'...??

Not you, obviously. You appear to be an equipment enthusiast.



--
*I pretend to work. - they pretend to pay me.


Once again, the silly tagline is the only true bit of Banzai Plowie's
post! (See below...)

Except nobody ever does....

When last did you work? ;-)


[Banzai Plowie]

Plowie can't get used to the idea that vinyl *sounds* better and despite
all his efforts in the past he hasn't been able to stop a single person
enjoying it - he's like one of those WW2 Banzai Japs who spent 30 years
defending a deserted island in the Pacific against *nobody* for 30
years, until they were lured out of their foxholes by a pack of Luckies
and the promise of a Jane Russell movie!!

What a prat. Just what percentage of the music - or reproduced sounds -
loving public listen to vinyl? Somewhere like a fraction of 1% I'd guess.
And for good reason.

--
*The beatings will continue until morale improves *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Fleetie wrote:
Well, yeah. I have a pretty ok turntable: PT TOO with RB300 and
Sumiko BPS Evo III cartridge. It is good. But largely, I kinda get off
on knowing it's good - far better than most non-Hi-fi people's
crappy record players - and that does add to the experience when I
listen to it. But I know deep down that technically, the fidelity isn't
as good as that from the 400 quid CD player (Marantz CD63 MkII SE).
Or even from a 60 quid CD (if I had one), let's not kid ourselves.

Just to emphasise I'm not knocking vinyl for the sake of it - I enjoyed it
for many years but was well aware of its fundamental flaws then as now.
And still enjoy the odd LP which I haven't got on CD.

Of course there are plenty of badly mastered CDs around - as there were
badly mastered LPs. But where the highest standards are employed, CD wins
every time.

--
*Indian Driver - Smoke signals only*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The worst offender here by far is Plowie - he hands it out like we
have all just got off the boat, but he don't got the balls to back up
the crap he posts with any concrete evidence or specific information.

Sigh. You prefer vinyl to CD. So in many ways have just got off the
boat.

Take a CD and copy it to another CD. You'll not tell the difference
between them.

Take that same CD and copy it to LP. You'll instantly tell the LP copy
from the CD master.

This means LP is *adding* something to the audio that it shouldn't.


Dear oh dear...

Is that what this is all about? You still trying to win the Vinyl Wars?
(See below...)

Err, no. It was an example of how your whole thinking is flawed. You are
looking for an extremely coloured unnatural sound - and of course each
change you make sounds different and suits you for a day or so. You are
searching for some sort of holy grail that simply doesn't exist.



Why does it bother you so much what I do?

Strange.....???


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Sorry - I can't be arsed with it, you do your thing, I'll do mine....

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

This means LP is *adding* something to the audio that it shouldn't.

and...

Err, no. It was an example of how your whole thinking is flawed. You
are looking for an extremely coloured unnatural sound - ...

You are proceeding from a false premise.


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Err, no. It was an example of how your whole thinking is flawed. You
are looking for an extremely coloured unnatural sound - and of course
each change you make sounds different and suits you for a day or so.
You are searching for some sort of holy grail that simply doesn't
exist.

Why does it bother you so much what I do?

I assumed you posted here to generate discussion?

Strange.....???

rest snipped

Sorry - I can't be arsed with it, you do your thing, I'll do mine....

Obviously not then. As I said, more of a Blog.

--
*Why isn't there mouse-flavoured cat food?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.