Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Keith G
wrote:

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as
having said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

Purely by co-incidence I just put up this page...

http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioM...ndLPsales.html

If you wish to comment on 7" sales, then you might also like to consider
those for 12" singles as well. :-)


Is that music shipped or bought, and does it include independents? Other
sources include:

http://www.soundscan.com/about.html

Two key difficulties arise:

1. Pirate CDs. In China (apparently - I went to Shanghai recently) it's
positively unusual to buy a genuine CD (or genuine most things come to
that).

2. Second hand vinyl. Right now, about 100,000 (vs 170,000 CDs) on eBay
UK alone.

If anyone is trying to estimate the popularity of a particular music
format I'd be pretty wary of music industry figures. But a nice little
synopsis as it goes :-)

Rob

"Rob" wrote


If anyone is trying to estimate the popularity of a particular music
format I'd be pretty wary of music industry figures.



Agreed - I lived with an IFPI secretary for 7 years and got to hear about a
few of the 'goings on'....!!

I was also told recently that some organisation (??) is phoning companies to
see if they can 'unlicensed music' being *broadcast* in their workplace...??

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Rob" wrote


If anyone is trying to estimate the popularity of a particular music
format I'd be pretty wary of music industry figures.



Agreed - I lived with an IFPI secretary for 7 years and got to hear about
a few of the 'goings on'....!!

I was also told recently that some organisation (??) is phoning companies
to see if they can 'unlicensed music' being *broadcast* in their
workplace...??



Put this 'hear' where you think it will do most good....!!

In article , Rob
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Keith G
wrote:

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as
having said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

Purely by co-incidence I just put up this page...

http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioM...ndLPsales.html

If you wish to comment on 7" sales, then you might also like to
consider those for 12" singles as well. :-)


Is that music shipped or bought, and does it include independents?

ahem I draw your attention to the last couple of paragraphs on the above
webpage. :-)

From what I understand, the figures are for items sold, with 'returns'
subtracted. I also suspect that the meaning of 'DVD music' differs for the
BPI and RIAA figures. But I am simply presenting the figures 'as given'
since I have no way to assess how accurately the portray the actual market.
Thought that at least that way people could see them, and make of them what
they will.

What I found interesting was that the UK figures for 12" seemed to be
falling as those for 7" were rising, and that although magazines, etc, were
reporting the figures for 7" sales rising, no-one had mentioned the fall
for 12" sales. It gave me the impression that those who had been buying 12"
singles were changing to 7" for some reason,. But I have no other info
which relates to this, so I have no idea if the same people are involved,
or not.

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


What I found interesting was that the UK figures for 12" seemed to be
falling as those for 7" were rising, and that although magazines, etc,
were
reporting the figures for 7" sales rising, no-one had mentioned the fall
for 12" sales. It gave me the impression that those who had been buying
12"
singles were changing to 7" for some reason,. But I have no other info
which relates to this, so I have no idea if the same people are involved,
or not.



Without *reliable* statistics and other information (see my other post about
publically quoted figures) we can only *guess*, but I sincerely doubt the
12" and 7" markets are interchangeable...??

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


What I found interesting was that the UK figures for 12" seemed to be
falling as those for 7" were rising, and that although magazines, etc,
were
reporting the figures for 7" sales rising, no-one had mentioned the fall
for 12" sales. It gave me the impression that those who had been buying
12"
singles were changing to 7" for some reason,. But I have no other info
which relates to this, so I have no idea if the same people are involved,
or not.



Without *reliable* statistics and other information (see my other post
about publically quoted figures) we can only *guess*, but I sincerely
doubt the 12" and 7" markets are interchangeable...??

A large percentage of 12" 45rpm discs are distributed as promo
material to DJs and radio stations, and so do not feature in sales figures.
There are a lot of these about. Most are marked "Not for sale"

Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


What I found interesting was that the UK figures for 12" seemed to be
falling as those for 7" were rising, and that although magazines, etc,
were
reporting the figures for 7" sales rising, no-one had mentioned the fall
for 12" sales. It gave me the impression that those who had been buying
12"
singles were changing to 7" for some reason,. But I have no other info
which relates to this, so I have no idea if the same people are
involved,
or not.



Without *reliable* statistics and other information (see my other post
about publically quoted figures) we can only *guess*, but I sincerely
doubt the 12" and 7" markets are interchangeable...??

A large percentage of 12" 45rpm discs are distributed as promo
material to DJs and radio stations, and so do not feature in sales
figures.
There are a lot of these about. Most are marked "Not for sale"


Yes we have a number of these....

The TV article I referenced featured youngsters far too young to be doing
anything more than a bit of 'bedroom DJ-ing' and I gather the Club DJs won't
touch anything smaller than 12 inch these days - and also some of them won't
look at a disc with more than one track per side??

Talking of which...

In this pic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Lowther06.JPG

The black speakers are being driven by the SET you can see in the shot, fed
from the Line Out from an SS stack (not in shot) which is driving the white
speakers. So, although this arrangement is to allow day-long
casual/background listening on the SS amp, the same source can be played
simultaneously (and in phase, I think) on both combinations. Either one is
extremely good (SS on the whites is a little tinny by comparison) but both
at once is *devastating*...!!!

(Playing my 'Abduction Of The Art Of Noise' CD at a fairly robust level was
truly a *slapped face* experience!! ;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...


A large percentage of 12" 45rpm discs are distributed as promo
material to DJs and radio stations, and so do not feature in sales
figures.
There are a lot of these about. Most are marked "Not for sale"

The TV article I referenced featured youngsters far too young to be doing
anything more than a bit of 'bedroom DJ-ing'

Hmm. That was not the sector I had in mind so I suppose these discs
must be on sale and readily available.

and I gather the Club DJs won't touch anything smaller than 12 inch these
days - and also some of them won't look at a disc with more than one track
per side??

That sounds reasonable. It also echoes back to the days of film music
libraries, who were using vinyl 78s well into the 1970s. They sounded
good, and with one title per side, in a darkened dubbing suite you could
not drop the stylus onto the wrong piece.

Talking of which...

In this pic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Lowther06.JPG

The black speakers are being driven by the SET you can see in the shot,
fed from the Line Out from an SS stack (not in shot) which is driving the
white speakers. So, although this arrangement is to allow day-long
casual/background listening on the SS amp, the same source can be played
simultaneously (and in phase, I think) on both combinations. Either one is
extremely good (SS on the whites is a little tinny by comparison) but both
at once is *devastating*...!!!

(Playing my 'Abduction Of The Art Of Noise' CD at a fairly robust level
was truly a *slapped face* experience!! ;-)

You certainly get your full measure of enjoyment from
your system, Keith. Who said audio wasn't fun?

Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...


A large percentage of 12" 45rpm discs are distributed as promo
material to DJs and radio stations, and so do not feature in sales
figures.
There are a lot of these about. Most are marked "Not for sale"

The TV article I referenced featured youngsters far too young to be doing
anything more than a bit of 'bedroom DJ-ing'

Hmm. That was not the sector I had in mind so I suppose these discs
must be on sale and readily available.

and I gather the Club DJs won't touch anything smaller than 12 inch these
days - and also some of them won't look at a disc with more than one
track
per side??

That sounds reasonable. It also echoes back to the days of film music
libraries, who were using vinyl 78s well into the 1970s. They sounded
good, and with one title per side, in a darkened dubbing suite you could
not drop the stylus onto the wrong piece.

Talking of which...

In this pic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Lowther06.JPG

The black speakers are being driven by the SET you can see in the shot,
fed from the Line Out from an SS stack (not in shot) which is driving the
white speakers. So, although this arrangement is to allow day-long
casual/background listening on the SS amp, the same source can be played
simultaneously (and in phase, I think) on both combinations. Either one
is
extremely good (SS on the whites is a little tinny by comparison) but
both
at once is *devastating*...!!!

(Playing my 'Abduction Of The Art Of Noise' CD at a fairly robust level
was truly a *slapped face* experience!! ;-)

You certainly get your full measure of enjoyment from
your system, Keith. Who said audio wasn't fun?


:-)

I suppose ought to make the point that I can (and mostly do) actually stop
****ing about and just play *music* occasionally!! (Like just about every
single night, as well as on and off during the day, many/most days!)

Also perhaps, make the point that I can do *blameless* (ie bland -
SS/digital on Tannoys and Ruarks) any time I want, using kit not much
different to (or possibly even better than, in some cases) that used by all
the Denial Boyz here....!!

;-)

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
That sounds reasonable. It also echoes back to the days of film music
libraries, who were using vinyl 78s well into the 1970s. They sounded
good, and with one title per side, in a darkened dubbing suite you could
not drop the stylus onto the wrong piece.

You really think they played discs direct into a film dub?

Stick to what you know about Iain.

--
*Taxation WITH representation ain't much fun, either.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.