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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:33:22 +0100, "Keith G"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:26:38 +0100, "Keith G"
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No worries, I'll retire further into my self-delusion and make the best of
a
bad job!! ;-)




Strange innit? But that is, I'm afraid, the way it is. Or rather that
is what you like - no arguing with it. But it has not a lot to do with
fidelity (if you will excuse the "f" word).


Trust me, I've heard a number of 'fidelity systems' belonging to proud
owners that I wouldn't give houseroom!!

Said it 28 million times - I wouldn't know 'fidelity' if it hit me with a
stick - I know what sounds *alive* and realistic/natural and that's what I
have pursued. It is impossible to try and describe sound quality without
sounding like a ****/magazine reviewer (interchangeable) but I'm talking
about sounds that *hang in the air*, voices where you could clasp the
singer's head, depth and space where the walls have entirely
disappeared....???

Now say anybody could claim that and I will ask how come I ain't never heard
it on anyone else's kit?

(FWIW, I suspect stuff I had a year or two back would have more than
qualified as true 'hifi' gear!!)

Whatever...


How come the French don't have a saying for "chacun a son gout"?
They're usually quite good at aphorisms.

What is clear is that you don't need those lower octaves for your
listening, which means that your speakers are entirely right for you.
They will be compensated to a degree by your small listening room, but
that won't restore anything like full bass performance. Interesting
little bugger, the brain, isn't it?

d

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Nothing's perfect and the good outweighs the bad by miles, in my book!!

Or, put it another way, I wouldn't want the music ****ted up (down) to
'normal standards' for the sake of the odd announcement!!

Fair enough. Plenty of people like honky bass with no real bottom end. The
jukebox or radiogram sound.

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Why? - It's the *real sound* it sounds like there are no speakers (&c.)
there! (Hand gestures also...)

One of the best speaker tests is well recorded male speech - not music.
And I'll guarantee *any* horn will fail this - and miserably. Best by far
is a Quad ELS...


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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:30:44 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Why? - It's the *real sound* it sounds like there are no speakers (&c.)
there! (Hand gestures also...)

One of the best speaker tests is well recorded male speech - not music.
And I'll guarantee *any* horn will fail this - and miserably. Best by far
is a Quad ELS...

In this case I would say that well-recorded means anechoic. The test
then resolves itself into the simple one "could you believe what you
are hearing is an actual person in the room with you?". As you say,
there are very few speakers so free from lumps that they will pass
this one.

d

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Nothing's perfect and the good outweighs the bad by miles, in my book!!

Or, put it another way, I wouldn't want the music ****ted up (down) to
'normal standards' for the sake of the odd announcement!!

Fair enough. Plenty of people like honky bass with no real bottom end. The
jukebox or radiogram sound.


Jukeboxes and stereograms??

Gawd, don't tell me I'm on a nostalgia jag without even realising it....???

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:30:44 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Why? - It's the *real sound* it sounds like there are no speakers (&c.)
there! (Hand gestures also...)

One of the best speaker tests is well recorded male speech - not music.
And I'll guarantee *any* horn will fail this - and miserably. Best by far
is a Quad ELS...

In this case I would say that well-recorded means anechoic. The test
then resolves itself into the simple one "could you believe what you
are hearing is an actual person in the room with you?". As you say,
there are very few speakers so free from lumps that they will pass
this one.


That's been said so many times here since the 'advent of horns'...!!

The beauty is the sound follows and gets even better throughout the house. I
can still determine 'soundstage effects' from the other end of the house, at
my smoking postion (patio doorstep)...!!

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"Don Pearce" wrote


What is clear is that you don't need those lower octaves for your
listening,


There ya go....


which means that your speakers are entirely right for you.


I wouldn't go so far as to say that - righter it seems than Ruark, Tannoy,
Rogers, B&W, Wharfedale, KEF, JM-Labs, Dynaudio, Jamo (Concert) and gawd
knows how many others proved to be at least....??

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:42:36 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


What is clear is that you don't need those lower octaves for your
listening,


There ya go....


I did mean you personally, of course - that wasn't a generic you,
meaning one.


which means that your speakers are entirely right for you.


I wouldn't go so far as to say that - righter it seems than Ruark, Tannoy,
Rogers, B&W, Wharfedale, KEF, JM-Labs, Dynaudio, Jamo (Concert) and gawd
knows how many others proved to be at least....??



Quite so. Never be satisfied - you'd have to sell your circular saw,
and that would never do.

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:42:36 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


What is clear is that you don't need those lower octaves for your
listening,


There ya go....


I did mean you personally, of course - that wasn't a generic you,
meaning one.


which means that your speakers are entirely right for you.


I wouldn't go so far as to say that - righter it seems than Ruark, Tannoy,
Rogers, B&W, Wharfedale, KEF, JM-Labs, Dynaudio, Jamo (Concert) and gawd
knows how many others proved to be at least....??



Quite so. Never be satisfied - you'd have to sell your circular saw,
and that would never do.



Well yew might larf! Swim got me a couple of 'woodworking' mags the other
day - they are even nerdier than audio geeks it appears. The mags followed
form exactly, even down to a 'jigsaw shoot-out' feature and a 'final few
words' at the back from some God-botherer, no less....!!

(This year's grinding wheel grey is *pink* actually, I thought you'd be
interested to know!! ;-)

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:11:31 +0100, "Keith G"
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Well yew might larf! Swim got me a couple of 'woodworking' mags the other
day - they are even nerdier than audio geeks it appears. The mags followed
form exactly, even down to a 'jigsaw shoot-out' feature and a 'final few
words' at the back from some God-botherer, no less....!!


The God-Botherer bit made me chuckle. When I was working for Marconi
Instruments, we were quite close with Hewlett Packard's instrument
division in the American Mid West somewhere, to the point that we were
sent copies of their house magazine. The mag was full of pictures of
their employees with profiles. Everybody seemed to be the same -
Christian, sings in the church choir and makes his own furniture. I
think they stamped them out with a cookie-cutter.

(This year's grinding wheel grey is *pink* actually, I thought you'd be
interested to know!! ;-)


Do you have to wear pink overalls so you co-ordinate, though?

d

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