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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote **What would be far more sensible would be to assemble a whole bunch of amps, within the price range, regardless of technology and listen to them in a blind test. Yep, say 30 or 40 amps and with a little bit of help you could have the job knocked off in an afternoon.... **Points: * You would not need to listen to that many. What's a 'whole bunch' then? Dozen or so...?? **However many is necessary. The OP could, for instance, choose the following as a representative sample: * The two amps orginally asked about. * Another quality push pull valve amp. * A zero global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. * A high Global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. He should be able to glean most of what he needs to know by listening to the above. * LISTENING, rather than asking people who may or may not be reliable, makes far more sense to us humans. * Both amps quoted cost serious Squid. A good long listen makes sense and any dealer who does not comply does not deserve the business. Couldn't agree more - I would need the 'last few' amps for months to make a final choice. My original suggestion is still good - buy both and flog the 'loser' on after a long trial. The speakers and how they sound on the amps (in the listening room) would be the final decider, in any case..... **Dumb idea. Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. Don't spend a single Squid, until a good long listen can be had. Anything else is just dumb. You're talking to the wrong bloke, Trevor - I've got 3 valve amps in my 'spares cupboard' (4 if you want to split a pair of monos). I can't be arsed with all that faffing about *borrowing* stuff just to make a pressured decision and auditions on dealer's premises are worse than useless, IMO..... But then, WTF do I know? The one I'm using *all the time* (natural selection) is one of the 2 Chinese 300B SETs I got for buttons - the other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. The bloke who bought it had it to play with (with no obligation whatsoever) for a week, then bought it from me and saved himself a 6 week wait. I didn't even have to carry it out of the house.... ;-) |
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"Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote **What would be far more sensible would be to assemble a whole bunch of amps, within the price range, regardless of technology and listen to them in a blind test. Yep, say 30 or 40 amps and with a little bit of help you could have the job knocked off in an afternoon.... **Points: * You would not need to listen to that many. What's a 'whole bunch' then? Dozen or so...?? **However many is necessary. The OP could, for instance, choose the following as a representative sample: * The two amps orginally asked about. * Another quality push pull valve amp. * A zero global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. * A high Global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. He should be able to glean most of what he needs to know by listening to the above. * LISTENING, rather than asking people who may or may not be reliable, makes far more sense to us humans. * Both amps quoted cost serious Squid. A good long listen makes sense and any dealer who does not comply does not deserve the business. Couldn't agree more - I would need the 'last few' amps for months to make a final choice. My original suggestion is still good - buy both and flog the 'loser' on after a long trial. The speakers and how they sound on the amps (in the listening room) would be the final decider, in any case..... **Dumb idea. Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. Don't spend a single Squid, until a good long listen can be had. Anything else is just dumb. You're talking to the wrong bloke, Trevor - I've got 3 valve amps in my 'spares cupboard' (4 if you want to split a pair of monos). I can't be arsed with all that faffing about *borrowing* stuff just to make a pressured decision and auditions on dealer's premises are worse than useless, IMO..... **I was providing advice to the OP, not you. But then, WTF do I know? **You buy amps, just so you can judge them? Clearly, you don't know much, or you have money to burn. You choose. The one I'm using *all the time* (natural selection) is one of the 2 Chinese 300B SETs I got for buttons - the other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. The bloke who bought it had it to play with (with no obligation whatsoever) for a week, then bought it from me and saved himself a 6 week wait. I didn't even have to carry it out of the house.... **And I'll say it again: Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Keith G wrote: **Dumb idea. Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. Don't spend a single Squid, until a good long listen can be had. Anything else is just dumb. You're talking to the wrong bloke, Trevor - I've got 3 valve amps in my 'spares cupboard' (4 if you want to split a pair of monos). I can't be arsed with all that faffing about *borrowing* stuff just to make a pressured decision and auditions on dealer's premises are worse than useless, IMO..... But then, WTF do I know? The one I'm using *all the time* (natural selection) is one of the 2 Chinese 300B SETs I got for buttons - the other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. The bloke who bought it had it to play with (with no obligation whatsoever) for a week, then bought it from me and saved himself a 6 week wait. I didn't even have to carry it out of the house.... And all these came from a dealer with loan facilities? -- *Corduroy pillows are making headlines. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote **What would be far more sensible would be to assemble a whole bunch of amps, within the price range, regardless of technology and listen to them in a blind test. Yep, say 30 or 40 amps and with a little bit of help you could have the job knocked off in an afternoon.... **Points: * You would not need to listen to that many. What's a 'whole bunch' then? Dozen or so...?? **However many is necessary. The OP could, for instance, choose the following as a representative sample: * The two amps orginally asked about. * Another quality push pull valve amp. * A zero global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. * A high Global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. He should be able to glean most of what he needs to know by listening to the above. * LISTENING, rather than asking people who may or may not be reliable, makes far more sense to us humans. * Both amps quoted cost serious Squid. A good long listen makes sense and any dealer who does not comply does not deserve the business. Couldn't agree more - I would need the 'last few' amps for months to make a final choice. My original suggestion is still good - buy both and flog the 'loser' on after a long trial. The speakers and how they sound on the amps (in the listening room) would be the final decider, in any case..... **Dumb idea. Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. Don't spend a single Squid, until a good long listen can be had. Anything else is just dumb. You're talking to the wrong bloke, Trevor - I've got 3 valve amps in my 'spares cupboard' (4 if you want to split a pair of monos). I can't be arsed with all that faffing about *borrowing* stuff just to make a pressured decision and auditions on dealer's premises are worse than useless, IMO..... **I was providing advice to the OP, not you. Silly me - I thought a direct reply to my post meant you were talking to me..... But then, WTF do I know? **You buy amps, just so you can judge them? Doesn't everybody....??? Clearly, you don't know much, or you have money to burn. You choose. OK, I'll take 'money to burn then'...... :-) The one I'm using *all the time* (natural selection) is one of the 2 Chinese 300B SETs I got for buttons - the other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. The bloke who bought it had it to play with (with no obligation whatsoever) for a week, then bought it from me and saved himself a 6 week wait. I didn't even have to carry it out of the house.... **And I'll say it again: Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. Depends... I actually made a profit on a new car once - it was the only 'new model' RX7 in the country at the time, got it at a bargain price from my pet dealer (over 30 cars from him, I should think) and I was offered 4K more than I paid for it a few months later! But I'd certainly agree that brand new 'hifi' equipment is usually *no* investment..... |
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Keith G wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Wondering which of the following two Audio Valve amplifiers to buy: Any helpful comments would be appreciated. * (1) PRIMALUNA PROLOGUE 2 (2) Pathos Classic One * Thank you for your help. Wed 25Oct06 I "downgraded" from a Croft/Copland set up to a Prologue 2 - I've been very happy with it. It's quiet powerful (ie drives Esl 63s & LS5/9 easily) but I would recommend changing the valves, the stock ones are pretty poor. The great thing about this is that you can use many types of power valves and it stays happy - I currently use mullard 82 & 83 and GE 7581/KT66 - REAL KT88s are stupid money. Having seen inside a burnt out one (nasty), I'd have thought it was hard to downgrade *from* a Copland.... Oh they must all be **** then? impersonates Mike Gambit in Nescafe add. **** |
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"Tim" wrote in message oups.com... Keith G wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Wondering which of the following two Audio Valve amplifiers to buy: Any helpful comments would be appreciated. * (1) PRIMALUNA PROLOGUE 2 (2) Pathos Classic One * Thank you for your help. Wed 25Oct06 I "downgraded" from a Croft/Copland set up to a Prologue 2 - I've been very happy with it. It's quiet powerful (ie drives Esl 63s & LS5/9 easily) but I would recommend changing the valves, the stock ones are pretty poor. The great thing about this is that you can use many types of power valves and it stays happy - I currently use mullard 82 & 83 and GE 7581/KT66 - REAL KT88s are stupid money. Having seen inside a burnt out one (nasty), I'd have thought it was hard to downgrade *from* a Copland.... Oh they must all be **** then? Good point - perhaps they pulled the one I saw off the production line and gave it special *crude/flimsy internals* treatment...?? All 'top show' poncey fascia with no knickers, like a cheap (and I mean cheap) kit amp: http://www.soundden.com/used-item/am...d-cta50402.jpg - far worse than the Chinese amp innards I've seen to date.... impersonates Mike Gambit in Nescafe add. ??? **** There's no need to sign your Usenet posts, Sonny - we take your ID from the headers.... Now **** off like a good little (smartarse) boy... |
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"Tim" wrote in message oups.com... Keith G wrote: "Tim" wrote in message oups.com... Keith G wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Wondering which of the following two Audio Valve amplifiers to buy: Any helpful comments would be appreciated. * (1) PRIMALUNA PROLOGUE 2 (2) Pathos Classic One * Thank you for your help. Wed 25Oct06 I "downgraded" from a Croft/Copland set up to a Prologue 2 - I've been very happy with it. It's quiet powerful (ie drives Esl 63s & LS5/9 easily) but I would recommend changing the valves, the stock ones are pretty poor. The great thing about this is that you can use many types of power valves and it stays happy - I currently use mullard 82 & 83 and GE 7581/KT66 - REAL KT88s are stupid money. Having seen inside a burnt out one (nasty), I'd have thought it was hard to downgrade *from* a Copland.... Oh they must all be **** then? Good point - perhaps they pulled the one I saw off the production line and gave it special *crude/flimsy internals* treatment...?? All 'top show' poncey fascia with no knickers, like a cheap (and I mean cheap) kit amp: http://www.soundden.com/used-item/am...d-cta50402.jpg - far worse than the Chinese amp innards I've seen to date.... impersonates Mike Gambit in Nescafe add. ??? **** There's no need to sign your Usenet posts, Sonny - we take your ID from the headers.... Now **** off like a good little (smartarse) boy... I'm not hiding Who TF said you were?? - why hide your surname? Who TF is hiding his surname? Wot TF are you going on about? My surname is Garratt - you would know that if you weren't just another one of those occasional, gobby blow-ins who like to try and put the regulars straight from time to time. The 'G' in my 'handle' is merely an identifier - it's common enough Usenet practice... it's ****s like you that result in this NG dying Er, no, it's ****s like me who keep this ng going so whiney little creeps like you can blow-in from time to time and sound off... A quick look at the *few* tossy little posts posts you have contributed here tells me you also saw fit to disparage Pinky - another regular on this group, 'til he saw sense and did a runner. Anybody else, not meeting up to your requirements here, need sorting out? |
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"Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message .. . "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote **What would be far more sensible would be to assemble a whole bunch of amps, within the price range, regardless of technology and listen to them in a blind test. Yep, say 30 or 40 amps and with a little bit of help you could have the job knocked off in an afternoon.... **Points: * You would not need to listen to that many. What's a 'whole bunch' then? Dozen or so...?? **However many is necessary. The OP could, for instance, choose the following as a representative sample: * The two amps orginally asked about. * Another quality push pull valve amp. * A zero global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. * A high Global NFB SS amp, which offers good performance figures. He should be able to glean most of what he needs to know by listening to the above. * LISTENING, rather than asking people who may or may not be reliable, makes far more sense to us humans. * Both amps quoted cost serious Squid. A good long listen makes sense and any dealer who does not comply does not deserve the business. Couldn't agree more - I would need the 'last few' amps for months to make a final choice. My original suggestion is still good - buy both and flog the 'loser' on after a long trial. The speakers and how they sound on the amps (in the listening room) would be the final decider, in any case..... **Dumb idea. Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. Don't spend a single Squid, until a good long listen can be had. Anything else is just dumb. You're talking to the wrong bloke, Trevor - I've got 3 valve amps in my 'spares cupboard' (4 if you want to split a pair of monos). I can't be arsed with all that faffing about *borrowing* stuff just to make a pressured decision and auditions on dealer's premises are worse than useless, IMO..... **I was providing advice to the OP, not you. Silly me - I thought a direct reply to my post meant you were talking to me..... **Read the thread. You will rapidly become aware that I was making suggestions to the OP. But then, WTF do I know? **You buy amps, just so you can judge them? Doesn't everybody....??? **Nope. Sane people listen BEFORE they buy. Particularly sane people will borrow the amp and listen in their own system. The wealthy and the intellecually challenged may choose another course. Clearly, you don't know much, or you have money to burn. You choose. OK, I'll take 'money to burn then'...... :-) The one I'm using *all the time* (natural selection) is one of the 2 Chinese 300B SETs I got for buttons - the other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. The bloke who bought it had it to play with (with no obligation whatsoever) for a week, then bought it from me and saved himself a 6 week wait. I didn't even have to carry it out of the house.... **And I'll say it again: Hi fi products lose value faster than new cars. Depends... I actually made a profit on a new car once - it was the only 'new model' RX7 in the country at the time, got it at a bargain price from my pet dealer (over 30 cars from him, I should think) and I was offered 4K more than I paid for it a few months later! But I'd certainly agree that brand new 'hifi' equipment is usually *no* investment..... **That would be an exception rather than the rule. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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it's ****s like you that result in this NG dying
Er, no, it's ****s like me who keep this ng going so whiney little creeps like you can blow-in from time to time and sound off... Now now, girls, if you aren't going to keep the violece on the hockey field, have a care for protocol............... The Anthology of Yuk - a Beginners Guide to Newsgroup Insults The Grammarian - "Gallic Wars has a double 'l' in case you hadn't noticed - your spelling is as faulty as your reasoning" The Academic attack - "It is thoroughly disingenuous of you to class Ceasar as 'a worrier' (your term) I refer you to Gallic Wars Vol. 3 pp 34-38" The Rapier Wit - "Touche!" The Lawyer - "Case closed" The Agricultural attack - "You are nothing but a Julian pig" The Snide Snipe - "So, Ceasar lover, how do you reconcile his political views with his personal ambitions? Perhaps you would like to tell us? Or have you no answer to that?" The Sociologist - "Hovel trash" The Passive Aggressive - "I ask you for the seventh time to explain your term 'plebian' in this context. May I remind you that you have still not done so" The Dejavutist - "a simple search of the archives will reveal 234 references to 'the dark side of Caesar's ambition', 34 of them coupled with 'his domestic circumstances' which was posted only last month. Sheesh!" The Medical attack - "you are truly sick" The Medical defence - "not as sick as you are" The Techno Assassin - "you are now in my Killfile - KILLED!!!" The Norwegian - "Don't feed the Trolls" The Classical attack - "Let them hate, so long as they fear - Accius" The Classical defence - "It is easy to be brave from a safe distance - Aesop" The Obscurist "If you will stop telling lies about Caesar, I will stop telling the truth about him" The Trader in insults - http://cgi.ebay.roman/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=0&category=0 The John Cage defence - The Engineer - "Stop wasting bandwidth!!" The Executive defence - a) Yes b) No c) e-mail me d) No e) see previous post f) surely not The Newshound - "See todays leader http://appian-times/gallicwars/latest" The Surrealist - "Topaz skylight, a fish " The Historical defence - "May I remind you of what your ancestors did to my ancestors in 1315? - So soon one forgets!" The East European attack - "Communist!!!" The West European attack - "Capitalist!!!" The English manouevre - "Of course you are, dear boy, of course you are.........' A Simple Transaction A: "Idiot" B: "Cretin" A Crossed Transaction A: "It is thoroughly disingenuous of you to class Ceasar as 'a worrier' (your term) I refer you to Gallic Wars Vol. 3 pp 34-38" B: "Hovel trash" |
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