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Trevor Wilson wrote:

... the
other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. ...

**And I'll say it again: Hi fi products lose value faster than new
cars.

What, all of them, or just the ones that lose money faster than new cars?

Seems to me that you're arguing fallaciously from the specific to the
general - and doing so in the face of contradictory testimony, which, when
you think about it, is pretty dumb. Then again, maybe you just can't read.


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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Trevor Wilson wrote:

... the
other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. ...

**And I'll say it again: Hi fi products lose value faster than new
cars.

What, all of them, or just the ones that lose money faster than new cars?

**Not ALL new cars lose money. Just 99.999% of them. In fact, it may even be
possible to buy a new hi fi amplifier and then fleece some poor sod by
selling for more via ebay. That would be the exception, rather than the
rule. In fact, anyone who buys (new) hi fi gear (at or close to retail), in
order to make a profit is seriously deluded.


Seems to me that you're arguing fallaciously from the specific to the
general - and doing so in the face of contradictory testimony,

**Testimony which is unproven. It seems you Poms are extraordinarily
gullible. Well, a few are, anyway. I don't trust anyone I don't know
personally. Do you?


which, when
you think about it, is pretty dumb. Then again, maybe you just can't read.

**I read just fine. What I do particularly well, is to argue coherently and
reasonably. I also don't take, at face value, what someone says, without
hard evidence.


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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

But then, WTF do I know? The one I'm using *all the time* (natural
selection) is one of the 2 Chinese 300B SETs I got for buttons - the
other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. The
bloke who bought it had it to play with (with no obligation
whatsoever) for a week, then bought it from me and saved himself a 6
week wait. I didn't even have to carry it out of the house....

And all these came from a dealer with loan facilities?

Eh?? That's exactly what he said they didn't. He *buys* his potentials,
lives with them long term to whittle down to his preferred choice, and
eventually flogs the surplus.


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Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Testimony which is unproven. It seems you Poms are extraordinarily
gullible.

I'm not a pom, you dumb ****.


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Trevor Wilson wrote:

**I read just fine. What I do particularly well, is to argue
coherently and reasonably.

Dream on, moron.


I also don't take, at face value, what
someone says, without hard evidence.

You do however, appear quite willing to spout baseless **** regarding
someone's nationality - all while asserting coherence! Like I said, you're a
dumb ****! :-)


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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
.. .

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Trevor Wilson wrote:

... the
other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. ...

**And I'll say it again: Hi fi products lose value faster than new
cars.

What, all of them, or just the ones that lose money faster than new cars?

**Not ALL new cars lose money. Just 99.999% of them. In fact, it may even
be possible to buy a new hi fi amplifier and then fleece some poor sod by
selling for more via ebay. That would be the exception, rather than the
rule. In fact, anyone who buys (new) hi fi gear (at or close to retail),
in order to make a profit is seriously deluded.


Seems to me that you're arguing fallaciously from the specific to the
general - and doing so in the face of contradictory testimony,

**Testimony which is unproven. It seems you Poms are extraordinarily
gullible. Well, a few are, anyway. I don't trust anyone I don't know
personally. Do you?


which, when
you think about it, is pretty dumb. Then again, maybe you just can't
read.

**I read just fine. What I do particularly well, is to argue coherently
and reasonably. I also don't take, at face value, what someone says,
without hard evidence.



Unless I'm getting the wrong end of the stick, this looks to me like you
don't believe I made a profit on the Mazda or sold the 300B amp for what I
paid for it...???

???

It makes no odds to me if you believe it or not, but why TF should I say I
did if it wasn't true - who on earth is there here to *impress* with such
bull****....???

But, asitappens, I don't entirely disagree with your 'mistrust' of
strangers - my grandfather once told me 'Don't believe half of what you see
or anything that you hear! And that was a couple of decades before *digital
anything*!!!

(But then you probably don't believe that either!! ;-)

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

But then, WTF do I know? The one I'm using *all the time* (natural
selection) is one of the 2 Chinese 300B SETs I got for buttons - the
other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. The
bloke who bought it had it to play with (with no obligation
whatsoever) for a week, then bought it from me and saved himself a 6
week wait. I didn't even have to carry it out of the house....

And all these came from a dealer with loan facilities?

Eh?? That's exactly what he said they didn't. He *buys* his potentials,
lives with them long term to whittle down to his preferred choice, and
eventually flogs the surplus.


Gawd, Plowie still dogging my trail? He really do need to get a life....

Wally, call me a **** if you like, but I know of no other way to *select*
amps and/or speakers other than to have them all to hand for swapping and
chopping and making **long** comparisons over periods of some *months*! Or,
put it another way, if you buy your next upgrade at the same time, you can
find out then and there if it *really* is a better option and don't have to
lay awake nights worrying about it...!!

Then you do what I do - solicit an unbiased opinion from just about anybody
who'll stand still for it. (Best if they have no idea about audio gear
whatsoever and don't even care - then you get truly useful answers!! ;-)

Anyway, not only do I buy 'multiples' - I also build them. Right now, my
biggest pair of firewood horns is sitting down in the garage - I built the
last pair *knowing* I couldn't use both pairs at the same time, due to lack
of space!!

(It's my hobby, it's what I do....?? ;-)

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Keith G wrote:

Gawd, Plowie still dogging my trail? He really do need to get a
life....

Doesn't seem to understand the difference between 'buy' and 'borrow'. :-)


Wally, call me a **** if you like, but I know of no other way to
*select* amps and/or speakers other than to have them all to hand for
swapping and chopping and making **long** comparisons over periods of
some *months*!

Nor can I. Well, I don't do all the swapping stuff, but I wouldn't dream of
committing to something as a result of some A/B listening test - all that
will tell me is what I preferred on that day. As most of the more respected
of opinions here will note, the human doing the listening is as much a
factor in what said human thinks of the kit in question. If that's the case,
and if it's also the case that humans change subtly day-to-day,
hour-to-hour, then it follows that a test which encompasses those changes
(and the gamut of other changes, like the weather, wot woz 'ad for dinner,
etc) will be more valid than the snapshot that is an A/B comparison.

As, I believe, both of us has said before, whatever system has been chosen
has to be lived with day in, day out, so it's hard to see how its
suitability for that purpose can be assessed without doing just that.


snip
(It's my hobby, it's what I do....?? ;-)

Exactly. That's another thing Trevvy Wevvy would appear to completely fail
to comprehend.


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It makes the peas taste funny, but it keeps them on the knife.
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
.. .

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Trevor Wilson wrote:

... the
other one I flogged on at *exactly* the price I paid for it. ...

**And I'll say it again: Hi fi products lose value faster than new
cars.

What, all of them, or just the ones that lose money faster than new
cars?

**Not ALL new cars lose money. Just 99.999% of them. In fact, it may even
be possible to buy a new hi fi amplifier and then fleece some poor sod by
selling for more via ebay. That would be the exception, rather than the
rule. In fact, anyone who buys (new) hi fi gear (at or close to retail),
in order to make a profit is seriously deluded.


Seems to me that you're arguing fallaciously from the specific to the
general - and doing so in the face of contradictory testimony,

**Testimony which is unproven. It seems you Poms are extraordinarily
gullible. Well, a few are, anyway. I don't trust anyone I don't know
personally. Do you?


which, when
you think about it, is pretty dumb. Then again, maybe you just can't
read.

**I read just fine. What I do particularly well, is to argue coherently
and reasonably. I also don't take, at face value, what someone says,
without hard evidence.



Unless I'm getting the wrong end of the stick, this looks to me like you
don't believe I made a profit on the Mazda or sold the 300B amp for what I
paid for it...???

**Do I believe that it is possible? Certainly. Do I believe you did it? Not
without supporting evidence. Do I think that most people can get their money
back, most of the time? Absolutely not.


???

It makes no odds to me if you believe it or not, but why TF should I say I
did if it wasn't true - who on earth is there here to *impress* with such
bull****....???

**People say all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons. I simply tell
people to make up their own mind, BEFORE shelling a single Squid. Sound
fair? You gonna marry a woman before bedding her?


But, asitappens, I don't entirely disagree with your 'mistrust' of
strangers - my grandfather once told me 'Don't believe half of what you
see or anything that you hear! And that was a couple of decades before
*digital anything*!!!

(But then you probably don't believe that either!! ;-)

**Correct.


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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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No idea why you repeated all that - your theories may be perfectly fine
*in principle* but AFAIAC you're living in Dreamland, when it comes to
the practicalities of valve amps in the UK....

**OK, I'll bite. Why? Be specific.


You are talking about a private individual assembling a selection of amps
that most dealers would be hard put to get together at the same time! Then
this individual gets to take all these amps home (on the heads of his
native bearers, presumably) and bugger about with them for what I suspect
would be far longer than most dealers would be comfortable with, while he
tries to sort through the inevitable 'amp blindness' that would follow and
make a *meaningful* choice....??

Get real....

**Expensive amps carry good profit margins. Dealers can afford to go the
extra kilometre. If they don't, go elsewhere. The guy with the cash in his
pocket is king, not the dealer. The dealer is there to provide a service.
Perhaps it is an English thing. Here in Australia buyers don't kow-tow to
dealers. We don't doff our hats to anyone. Ever. You guys could learn a
thing or two about egalitarianism.


Much better to do what I say - narrow the selection down by any means
available (demos, reviews, recommendations or whatever) to two, if he
really must, buy 'em both and then spend *as long as he wants* finalising
his choice.

**Fair enough, except:

* Demos - good idea. Even relatively uncontrolled ones.
* Reviews - Useless.
* Recommendations - Useless.


TBH, I would keep them both anyway, because despite lofty remarks
made by you in the past about my 'backup methodology', valve amps can and
*do* go tits up at a moment's notice.

**As can ANY amp. Though valve amps tend to do so more regularly.

The Copland amp mentioned elsewhere
today, that was burned out by a rogue EL34 was a *long* number of weeks
waiting for a special (Copland only) transformer to fix it...

**Sure. It happens.


If I wuz a dealer and someone wanted as many amps as you describe to
audition them down to the one *possible* purchase, I would tell him to
**** off.

**And your business would deserve the lack of patronage it would certainly
receive (here in Oz anyway).

OTOH, I would allow him to spend as long as he wanted to audition them
on my premises and might let him take two home if I *knew* him or he paid
for both against a near future refund on the unwanted amp..

**That's a reasonable attitude.


It's a bit different here in Blighty - let me tell you of an anecdote
regarding cars: About 20/25 years ago, someone I know told me about
someone he knew who took about 20,000 quid *cash* into the Cambridge
branch of Marshalls to buy a brand new Mercedes. They told him (politely,
I suppose) to **** off and get a banker's draft - they were not prepared
to count and/or handle the notes....

(Catch my drift....?? ;-)

**Indeed. I suspect things are somewhat different here in Oz. Cash is king.
And I will readily admit that is not necessarily a good thing.


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