Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

Keith G wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Here in Ohio wrote:
Nope, that won't wash either - for me the LP is a longer-established
music carrier than the CD and it is my 'norm'. If you say (I don't
necessarily agree) that audible distortion has been removed with a CD
then I would ask what else has been removed with it? I would suggest a
palpable sense of 'realism' for starters - for me, CD is sterile or
even *fake* by comparison...
The distortion isn't "removed" with CD, it is never there in the first
place.
Your "norm" is distorted. That "palpable sense of realism" is just
added distortion.
You're wasting your time arguing with Mr G. He considers vinyl through
home made single driver horns with (at least) the top and bottom octaves
missing - driven by an SET amp with goodness knows how much distortion -
gives perfect results in his tiny but excessively lively listening room.
Of course at his age, his hearing is probably the true limiting factor.
Those who disagree - ie most - have no place on this, his own personal
newsgroup. ;-)



Oh dear......

Do stop your snivelling, Plowie - you're like a snot-nosed little kid
whining that the big boys won't let you have a kick of the ball.....

Dry yer eyes and have a look at this (I fished you out of my ****ter
specially):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5705&rd=1&rd=1


Tell me if you think it would be any good for 'out and about'
recording....??

The CP230 is an *excellent* machine, perfect for location recording, and
very much used by radio journalists. However, it *is* still a cassette,
with all the limitations of cassette, especially regarding noise. It
depends what I wanted it for:- if to record interviews doorstepping
politicians it would be perfect, recording weak and distant birdsong, it
would be far too noisy, and for music, I certainly wouldn't use it to
record music for commercial release. Also, bear in mind that the
recording time will be limited to 45 minutes before having to turn over
the tape.

S.

I'm looking at things like the Edirol R-09

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/edirolr-09.htm


..but not sure if I want to punt 300 quid on summat that might be a bit
disappointing (or might only be a flash in the pan)....??

I think the main problem with the Edirol is that it has built-in mics,
and the sockets for external mics are nasty little jacks rather than
proper XLRs. Those jacks will be broken off the first time you tread on
the mic cable. If I were buying a field recorder now, I would get a
Solis State recorder with XLR mic inputs.

S.

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote


snip waste of time pitching a sensible question at Plowie - he's only any
good for whining to crossposted blow-ins because we won't let him have his
own way in here all the time...

(Runs homemade LS3/5s and yaps about *frequency extremes*..?? - Wot a
plonka!! :-)



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5705&rd=1&rd=1


Tell me if you think it would be any good for 'out and about'
recording....??

The CP230 is an *excellent* machine, perfect for location recording,


Aha....??


and
very much used by radio journalists. However, it *is* still a cassette,
with all the limitations of cassette, especially regarding noise. It
depends what I wanted it for:- if to record interviews doorstepping
politicians it would be perfect, recording weak and distant birdsong, it
would be far too noisy, and for music, I certainly wouldn't use it to
record music for commercial release. Also, bear in mind that the recording
time will be limited to 45 minutes before having to turn over the tape.


OK, thanks for that Serge - it's kinda what I expected/already suspected...

I'm well aware of the noise issue with tape for anything *very* quiet
(distant birdsong) but I was thinking more for louder/closer sounds (voices,
engines, machinery, busy ambience &c.) and to get a bit of experience out in
the open - overcoming the fumble factor &c....

Given that some/many useful samples are actually less than a minute or so
long, the tape swapping would also not represent a problem - I suspect
battery life would rule out anything longer than filling a tape or two, in
any case...??

(Anyway, if the price doesn't go mad, you haven't totally put me off it yet!
;-)



S.

I'm looking at things like the Edirol R-09

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/edirolr-09.htm


..but not sure if I want to punt 300 quid on summat that might be a bit
disappointing (or might only be a flash in the pan)....??

I think the main problem with the Edirol is that it has built-in mics,


Yep. Not appealing....


and the sockets for external mics are nasty little jacks rather than
proper XLRs.


Yep. Also not appealing....


Those jacks will be broken off the first time you tread on
the mic cable.


:-)


If I were buying a field recorder now, I would get a
Solis State recorder with XLR mic inputs.


The Marantz PDM660 that was mentioned a few days back apparently suffers
from 'weak bass' or so I'm told, but the proper XLR sockets do make it very
appealing and Don seems to think they'll be improved pretty soon - which is
why I'm looking at the above tape recorder for now, it would do me for
fiddling about while the situation sorts itself out....??

Early days and all very interesting...

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

In rec.audio.tech Mr.T MrT@home wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
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But all LP systems will display 'euphonic' distortion.

Not so. I find much of the distortion on vinyl records anything but
"euphonic"!


Oh, for the ability to make 'quote fingers' online.


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Keith G wrote:


The Marantz PDM660 that was mentioned a few days back apparently suffers
from 'weak bass' or so I'm told, but the proper XLR sockets do make it very
appealing and Don seems to think they'll be improved pretty soon - which is
why I'm looking at the above tape recorder for now, it would do me for
fiddling about while the situation sorts itself out....??

Early days and all very interesting...


The Marantz spec for the PMD660 doesn't quote a frequency response but I
would be *very* surprised if it wasn't flat down to 20Hz. Tape-based
recorders on the other hand are seldom flat below 40Hz:- "bass woodles"
as they used to be called. Anyway, if you can get the cassette machine
cheaply enough, then you can get into recording, and sell it possibly
for the same as you bought it if you want to move up.

S.

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:


The Marantz PDM660 that was mentioned a few days back apparently suffers
from 'weak bass' or so I'm told, but the proper XLR sockets do make it
very appealing and Don seems to think they'll be improved pretty soon -
which is why I'm looking at the above tape recorder for now, it would do
me for fiddling about while the situation sorts itself out....??

Early days and all very interesting...


The Marantz spec for the PMD660 doesn't quote a frequency response but I
would be *very* surprised if it wasn't flat down to 20Hz. Tape-based
recorders on the other hand are seldom flat below 40Hz:- "bass woodles" as
they used to be called. Anyway, if you can get the cassette machine
cheaply enough, then you can get into recording, and sell it possibly for
the same as you bought it if you want to move up.



Sure, it would/will be a good 'learning tool' if nothing else. Anyway, I've
thrown my maximum bid on it - if anyone goes over that, then fine, so be it!

This one looks like fun:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...3974&rd=1&rd=1


....but it's already at a little bit more than mere 'fun money'....!! :-)

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

Keith G wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

The Marantz PDM660 that was mentioned a few days back apparently suffers
from 'weak bass' or so I'm told, but the proper XLR sockets do make it
very appealing and Don seems to think they'll be improved pretty soon -
which is why I'm looking at the above tape recorder for now, it would do
me for fiddling about while the situation sorts itself out....??

Early days and all very interesting...

The Marantz spec for the PMD660 doesn't quote a frequency response but I
would be *very* surprised if it wasn't flat down to 20Hz. Tape-based
recorders on the other hand are seldom flat below 40Hz:- "bass woodles" as
they used to be called. Anyway, if you can get the cassette machine
cheaply enough, then you can get into recording, and sell it possibly for
the same as you bought it if you want to move up.



Sure, it would/will be a good 'learning tool' if nothing else. Anyway, I've
thrown my maximum bid on it - if anyone goes over that, then fine, so be it!

This one looks like fun:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...3974&rd=1&rd=1


...but it's already at a little bit more than mere 'fun money'....!! :-)



Now that's a *real* recorder. Sad though that even with those
beautifully made mechanics, the performance will be worse than a basic
SS recorder. Bit like turntables really.........;-)

S.

S.

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

In article , Keith G
wrote:
You're wasting your time arguing with Mr G. He considers vinyl through
home made single driver horns with (at least) the top and bottom
octaves missing - driven by an SET amp with goodness knows how much
distortion - gives perfect results in his tiny but excessively lively
listening room. Of course at his age, his hearing is probably the true
limiting factor. Those who disagree - ie most - have no place on this,
his own personal newsgroup. ;-)



Oh dear......

Do stop your snivelling, Plowie - you're like a snot-nosed little kid
whining that the big boys won't let you have a kick of the ball.....



Thank you for taking the bait and proving your enormous ego insists you
reply to anything mentioning yourself - even after making a song and dance
about who's in your killfile...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:
You're wasting your time arguing with Mr G. He considers vinyl through
home made single driver horns with (at least) the top and bottom
octaves missing - driven by an SET amp with goodness knows how much
distortion - gives perfect results in his tiny but excessively lively
listening room. Of course at his age, his hearing is probably the true
limiting factor. Those who disagree - ie most - have no place on this,
his own personal newsgroup. ;-)



Oh dear......

Do stop your snivelling, Plowie - you're like a snot-nosed little kid
whining that the big boys won't let you have a kick of the ball.....



Thank you for taking the bait and proving your enormous ego insists you
reply to anything mentioning yourself - even after making a song and dance
about who's in your killfile...



Another wasted opportunity, Plowie - did you miss this bit:

"Dry yer eyes and have a look at this (I fished you out of my ****ter
specially):"

??

I dunno, you ain't ever going to amount to anything in this life if you
can't get that rotten attitude of yours sorted....

Tsk, tsk, tsk....

shakes head slowly....

;-)

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Sure, it would/will be a good 'learning tool' if nothing else. Anyway,
I've thrown my maximum bid on it - if anyone goes over that, then fine,
so be it!

This one looks like fun:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...3974&rd=1&rd=1


...but it's already at a little bit more than mere 'fun money'....!! :-)

I've got one which lived out its life in a dubbing suite so near mint
condition - those used on the road are often a bit kicked but still work
perfectly if kept serviced.

Makes a lovely coffee table display. ;-)

--
*Many people quit looking for work when they find a job *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article , Mr.T
MrT@home wrote:

S/H, ... as are many S/H CD's. Except a S/H CD has some chance of still
being playable!

Shipping and Handling? As for playability, it is EASY to find LPs in
mint condition for a dollar a disk here in Los Angeles. In fact, if you
are willing to pick up, you can get whole collections for free. I have
a storage facility full of thousands of great free records to prove it.

Now add in the cost of a decent turntable/cartridge and replacement
sylii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's possible to put together a good sounding vinyl playback setup used
for under $250. That isn't a great deal of money.

See ya
Steve

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