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In article , Mr.T
MrT@home wrote:

Unfortunately a stylus from the seventies will rarely be usable either, and
a new cartridge of reasonable quality costs more than a CD player and wears
out quicker.

A good cartridge can be bought for $50. I included that in the estimate
I quoted- $250 for a good vinyl playback system. ($100 turntable,
$50 shipping, $50 phono preamp, $50 cartridge) You can get a CD
player cheaper, but buy a couple of dozen CDs along with it and you
will have spent a lot more than a turntable setup and a comparable
amount of used records.

Classical music in particular is a bargain on LP. Beautiful sounding
pressings with great performances routinely sell for a dollar or two a
disk.

See ya
Steve

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:47:00 -0800, Stephen Worth
wrote:

78s and LPs were produced for over 8 decades. The 20th century
represents a vast ocean of music- and one of the richest periods
of musicmaking of all time. Simply cataloguing the discography
of the 20th century is a Herculean task that continues to this day.
To assume that if something hasn't been released on CD, it must
be inferior is profoundly ignorant.


Yeah. Once we learned how to press that "record" button, or drop that
cutting stylus, we forgot how to stop :-) A LOAD of stuff got
recorded. How much of it is worth keeping is another matter.

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Unfortunately a stylus from the seventies will rarely be usable either, and
a new cartridge of reasonable quality costs more than a CD player and wears
out quicker.

Sad but true. And MC cartridges can be killed very easily. I know. I'm
on my THIRD Sumiko BPS (EIII version now).

A good cartridge can be bought for $50.

Erm... That's about 25 or 30 pounds. Sorry, but NO. I'm sure the AT-95E is
good value, but I'm not even sure you could buy one for that money these
days, if they're even still being made.

I'd hate to hear what it would do to female vocals.

I like my cartridge, but it was 220 pounds, which I guess is about $400.


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In article ,
"Fleetie" wrote:

Unfortunately a stylus from the seventies will rarely be usable either, and
a new cartridge of reasonable quality costs more than a CD player and wears
out quicker.

Sad but true. And MC cartridges can be killed very easily. I know. I'm
on my THIRD Sumiko BPS (EIII version now).

A good cartridge can be bought for $50.

Erm... That's about 25 or 30 pounds. Sorry, but NO. I'm sure the AT-95E is
good value, but I'm not even sure you could buy one for that money these
days, if they're even still being made.

I'd hate to hear what it would do to female vocals.

I like my cartridge, but it was 220 pounds, which I guess is about $400.

Not necessarily the last word in high fidelity but in the US one can get
the Sumiko Oyster, Grado Green or various Ortofon, Audio-Technica and
Shure models.

Stephen

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In article , Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote:

Yeah. Once we learned how to press that "record" button, or drop that
cutting stylus, we forgot how to stop :-) A LOAD of stuff got
recorded. How much of it is worth keeping is another matter.

I'm pretty familiar with just about the entire span of recording
history. My collection of records, CDs and digital files goes back 100
years, and includes music of all types from every time period since. I
can tell you that the proportion of crap to good stuff in roughly the
first half of the 20th century was much less than it has been since.
There were more varieties of quality music, a more vital musical
interchange of ideas, and much better musicians.

There are plenty of crappy records, but the idea that all of the good
music from the 20th century has already been released on CD is
completely absurd.

See ya
Steve

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"Stephen Worth" wrote in message
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In article , Mr.T
MrT@home wrote:

Possibly good enough for those $1 LP's I guess, but I wouldn't play
*mine*
on a crap box. Hell a new stylus costs me that much!

You can get higher end turntables from the 70s used for much
less than the cost of low end new turntables. You just have to
look. Dual, Thorens, Rega... they're all out there and they're far
from being crap boxes.

Trouble is, $250 isn't what it costs to put together a credible vinyl setup,
following the instructions above.

First - a rega turntable. Looking at the current relevant closed auctions on
ebay I get the following numbers for a usable as sold Rega TT + arm:

$238
$549
$340 (composite of sep auctions for arm + TT, no arm)
$197
$768
$610
$475
$340
$448
$475
$341

We can see that just the turntable + arm alone is very likely to blow the
$250 stated budget. Eyeball average is about $350

Most people don't have good preamps of sufficient grade, so I'll throw in a
$75 allowance for a good used preamp.
Some of the turntables above included a cartrdge, some didn't, I'll throw in
a $50 allowance for half a good cartrdige.

Bottom line, it will take about $500 on the average to have a credible vinyl
playback system based on a low-mid grade Rega turntable. Strikes a chord
because that's what I have and the average prices I quote are close to what
my setup cost me.

As for flawless LPs... you guys are WAY too anal retentive.

Sue us for being used to CD quality audio.

You should spend more time listening to music, not a tiny click here
and there. There's a lot of great music on LPs (as well as 78s)
that will never be released on CD.

78s won't play on the $500 Rega setup.

Music is what counts. LPs are perfectly capable of reproducing
music very well.

It seems like used and bargain label CDs are the more economical way to go.

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In article ,
Stephen Worth wrote:
It can't be that 'great' if it's not been released on CD.

78s and LPs were produced for over 8 decades. The 20th century
represents a vast ocean of music- and one of the richest periods
of musicmaking of all time. Simply cataloguing the discography
of the 20th century is a Herculean task that continues to this day.

To assume that if something hasn't been released on CD, it must
be inferior is profoundly ignorant.

Is it? What is great to you may be rubbish to others. If there was a
commercial opening for this 'great' music it would have been released on
CD, in the main.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Stephen Worth" wrote in message
...
In article , Mr.T
MrT@home wrote:

Possibly good enough for those $1 LP's I guess, but I wouldn't play
*mine*
on a crap box. Hell a new stylus costs me that much!
You can get higher end turntables from the 70s used for much
less than the cost of low end new turntables. You just have to
look. Dual, Thorens, Rega... they're all out there and they're far
from being crap boxes.

Trouble is, $250 isn't what it costs to put together a credible vinyl setup,
following the instructions above.

snip bits about 250USD

I recently bought a pretty decent TT/cart for 35UKP plus p&p:

http://patchoulian.googlepages.com/jvcjl-a40

Rob

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rob wrote:
OK. I'm *fairly* sure I can hear a difference between LP-CD recordings
and LP-original. Not absolutely sure mind, no rigorous test, just mild
and recreational observation.

The CD made using the same pickup etc as you're using for the playback -
and a high quality sound card on the computer, etc?

Pickup - yes, and digital out to an AV amp.

And how did you match
levels exactly for the comparison?


Doubt it's exact as I use the AV amp's electronic volume control which
only allows 'dB' steps. Would you consider a 256kbps a suitable
substitute for wavs in this kind of assessment (I use both)?

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Rob" wrote in
message

OK. I'm *fairly* sure I can hear a difference between
LP-CD recordings and LP-original. Not absolutely sure mind, no rigorous
test, just mild and recreational observation. Then I'm told there can't
be any difference.

No, you've been told that there shouldn't be a difference, and that others
have achieved that result.


And I haven't been told the basis of that reasoning.

The reasoning, I gather, is based on
something called "Virtual Reality" methodology, which
involves double-blind testing amongst other things.

You'ev got that wrong, as well. This time you're so far out in left field
that maybe you should just start over, or forget it all.


And we both know that there's very little point in anyone starting over
because you won't address key questions.