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In article ,
Stephen Worth wrote:
As for playability, it is EASY to find LPs in
mint condition for a dollar a disk here in Los Angeles.

That's cool. Don't think I ever bought a mint one new. They were all
flawed in some way.

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Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Worth wrote:
As for playability, it is EASY to find LPs in
mint condition for a dollar a disk here in Los Angeles.

That's cool. Don't think I ever bought a mint one new. They were all
flawed in some way.

I *know* I never bought a mint one, new. I used to sell them. Even on
the highly-touted audiophile brands like Sheffield, I never had/heard
one without at least a couple of flaws per side....

jak

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"jakdedert" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

Stephen Worth wrote:

As for playability, it is EASY to find LPs in
mint condition for a dollar a disk here in Los Angeles.

What is the formal definition of "mint condition LP".

If its one that is completely unused and never opened since pressed that
allows considerable latitude.

Back in the days when vinyl was all we had, I needless to say bought 100s of
LPs that were allegedly new. I think that many of them were actually
factory-fresh, simply because of the volumes in which they were sold in
those days. If someone was opening them and adding dirt, they had a
full-time job. ;-)

It wasn't all that unusual for a LP to come out of the factory-sealed liner
with some kind of foriegn material or plastic fragments associated with it.

That's cool. Don't think I ever bought a mint one new. They were all
flawed in some way.

Agreed. I never had a LP that didn't have a tic or pop by the end of playing
the first side. Discwasher, Zerostat, Dust Bug I had them all and used them
religiously. I washed records in mild soapy water, sprayed them with
propriatory cleaning elixors, and made my own mixtures of USP alcohol,
distilled water and later on added photo wetting agent. Never heard a side
play without a tic or a pop or quite a few of them.

I *know* I never bought a mint one, new. I used to sell them. Even on
the highly-touted audiophile brands like Sheffield, I never had/heard one
without at least a couple of flaws per side....

That was my experience.

Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

Arny Krueger wrote:
"jakdedert" wrote in message
.. .
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

Stephen Worth wrote:

As for playability, it is EASY to find LPs in
mint condition for a dollar a disk here in Los Angeles.

What is the formal definition of "mint condition LP".

If its one that is completely unused and never opened since pressed that
allows considerable latitude.

Back in the days when vinyl was all we had, I needless to say bought 100s of
LPs that were allegedly new. I think that many of them were actually
factory-fresh, simply because of the volumes in which they were sold in
those days. If someone was opening them and adding dirt, they had a
full-time job. ;-)

It wasn't all that unusual for a LP to come out of the factory-sealed liner
with some kind of foriegn material or plastic fragments associated with it.

That's cool. Don't think I ever bought a mint one new. They were all
flawed in some way.

Agreed. I never had a LP that didn't have a tic or pop by the end of playing
the first side. Discwasher, Zerostat, Dust Bug I had them all and used them
religiously. I washed records in mild soapy water, sprayed them with
propriatory cleaning elixors, and made my own mixtures of USP alcohol,
distilled water and later on added photo wetting agent. Never heard a side
play without a tic or a pop or quite a few of them.

I *know* I never bought a mint one, new. I used to sell them. Even on
the highly-touted audiophile brands like Sheffield, I never had/heard one
without at least a couple of flaws per side....

That was my experience.

Amen...

When CD's came out, I thought for some reason that they'd soon be
cheaper--or at least as cheap--as LP's.

Silly me.

I actively boycotted the format, (indeed almost all retail, recorded
music) up until the early 90's in protest. To this day, I rarely buy a
new disk. Thankfully, the industry learned their lesson when DVD became
the format of choice for video. IME, they don't cost any more than VHS
did...often less, with comparable technical advancement of Lp over CD.

I guess I taught 'em a thing or two....

jak

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"Stephen Worth" wrote in message
...
Shipping and Handling? As for playability, it is EASY to find LPs in
mint condition for a dollar a disk here in Los Angeles. In fact, if you
are willing to pick up, you can get whole collections for free. I have
a storage facility full of thousands of great free records to prove it.

Now add in the cost of a decent turntable/cartridge and replacement
stylii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's possible to put together a good sounding vinyl playback setup used
for under $250. That isn't a great deal of money.

Possibly good enough for those $1 LP's I guess, but I wouldn't play *mine*
on a crap box. Hell a new stylus costs me that much!
Not so much of a problem now that I only use a TT for transcribing to CD
though. Unfortunately the cost of a record cleaning machine still makes it
uneconomical for most people to play records, even if they are free.
There is a reason why S/H vinyl is cheap after all, nobody else wants it,
and with good reason!

MrT.

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In article , Mr.T
MrT@home wrote:

Possibly good enough for those $1 LP's I guess, but I wouldn't play *mine*
on a crap box. Hell a new stylus costs me that much!

You can get higher end turntables from the 70s used for much
less than the cost of low end new turntables. You just have to
look. Dual, Thorens, Riga... they're all out there and they're far
from being crap boxes.

As for flawless LPs... you guys are WAY too anal retentive. You
should spend more time listening to music, not a tiny click here
and there. There's a lot of great music on LPs (as well as 78s)
that will never be released on CD.

Music is what counts. LPs are perfectly capable of reproducing
music very well.

See ya
Steve

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Independent View Of LP versus CD
 

In article ,
jakdedert wrote:
When CD's came out, I thought for some reason that they'd soon be
cheaper--or at least as cheap--as LP's.

Silly me.

I actively boycotted the format, (indeed almost all retail, recorded
music) up until the early 90's in protest. To this day, I rarely buy a
new disk. Thankfully, the industry learned their lesson when DVD became
the format of choice for video. IME, they don't cost any more than VHS
did...often less, with comparable technical advancement of Lp over CD.

I guess I taught 'em a thing or two....

That's the way to do it. It's a fact of life that everything is priced to
what the market can bear with no relation to manufacturing costs.

--
*Half the people in the world are below average.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article ,
Stephen Worth wrote:
As for flawless LPs... you guys are WAY too anal retentive. You
should spend more time listening to music, not a tiny click here
and there.

And the distortion. Varying quality from one end to the other. Wow and
flutter.

There's a lot of great music on LPs (as well as 78s)
that will never be released on CD.

Some, admittedly. Whether it's great or not is a matter of opinion. It
can't be that 'great' if it's not been released on CD.

Music is what counts.

Then discuss that on a music newsgroup. There are hundreds covering all
sorts. This one is about audio - ie the reproduction of sounds.

LPs are perfectly capable of reproducing music very well.

They were capable when there was nothing better. Now there is they're
relegated to second best.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Stephen Worth" wrote in message
...
You can get higher end turntables from the 70s used for much
less than the cost of low end new turntables. You just have to
look. Dual, Thorens, Riga... they're all out there and they're far
from being crap boxes.

Yes, and the S/H prices of those are far more than a new CD player.
Unfortunately a stylus from the seventies will rarely be usable either, and
a new cartridge of reasonable quality costs more than a CD player and wears
out quicker.

As for flawless LPs... you guys are WAY too anal retentive. You
should spend more time listening to music, not a tiny click here
and there.

I was so glad when we got an alternative where that was not an inherent
fault that had to be put up with though.

There's a lot of great music on LPs (as well as 78s)
that will never be released on CD.

I know, that's the only reason why I still use a TT.
The reverse is more true these days however.

Music is what counts. LPs are perfectly capable of reproducing
music very well.

Yes, when that was all we had, I bought many.

MrT.

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In article , News
wrote:

It can't be that 'great' if it's not been released on CD.

78s and LPs were produced for over 8 decades. The 20th century
represents a vast ocean of music- and one of the richest periods
of musicmaking of all time. Simply cataloguing the discography
of the 20th century is a Herculean task that continues to this day.
To assume that if something hasn't been released on CD, it must
be inferior is profoundly ignorant.

See ya
Steve

--
Rare 78 rpm recordings on CD! http://www.vintageip.com/records/
Building a museum and archive of animation! http://www.animationarchive.org/
The Quest for the BEST HOTDOG in Los Angeles! http://www.hotdogspot.com/
Rediscovering great stuff from the past! http://www.vintagetips.com/