west wrote:
west
:
Next question, if you don't mind ...what are you using to play your CDs?

"Andre Jute" :
Quad CD66 and CD67, very old, very reliable. Both of mine were on
lease to the BBC, then checked over at the factory before they came to
me about fifteen years ago.

west:
I guess you're not into SACDs or keeping up with the Jones'. Do you use a
high efficiency horn or those ESL 57s? I'm trying to picture your system
from some of your posts. Perhaps you use 2 systems.

west

SACD is an irrelevance, another case the Himalayan Wasting Disease, of
engineers doing something because they can, when, if they had first
put their minds in gear, they would have discovered that it is
unnecessary.

I don't know who these Jones people are who expect me to follow
whatever fashion they have succumbed to this week. I make it a
principle never to do what people expect simply because they expect
it. The expectations of little people are an attempt to drag their
betters down to their level.

I don't have systems in the sense you mean, as in someone having a
listening room with a fixed setup; I don't have time to sit in a
listening room; I listen to music in my study and studio as I work; my
son has his own i-Pod/computer based system and my wife prefers to
read in silence though we could play music on the DVD player in her
room. I have ESL57, ESL63, horns of my own manufacture but built on
the Lowther Fidelio factory-cut wood with Lowther PM6Å, bigger
tractrix horns of my own design, various quarterwave pipes (I have for
instance a pair spefically tuned long to enhance the bass on Gregorian
Chant), Bang & Olufsen S25 (a copy of a very fine Goodmans bentback
bookshelf speaker of the 1960s), little Coral drivers in coconuts that
a Swiss designer sent me as computer speaks, ditto some from Apple,
and probably some more. I just play whichever speakers seem suitable
for whatever amp I want to use; in the middle of the night I often use
Sennheiser or Stax (electrostatic) earphones (I'm using Stax now -- I
have various tube and silicon amps both bought and of my own devising
specifically for driving earphones). In tubes I have SE amps from
about a third of a watt to about 80W, and PP amps from around 10W in
Class Å to over 100W in Class AB, plus of course silicon amps from
c10W to 150W, either of my own design and construction or from Quad
and Audiolab. The only speakers I have permanently rigged are ESL63,
which I use as a reference; the only amp I have permanently rigged is
Quad 405 MkII with an accompanying Quad 34 control amp (the last is
very useful for having a mono-ing button, to test amps of which you
have built only one channel, or a single speaker). I have more CD
players than the Quad 66 and 67 but I never use them; the Quads are
just too good to bother swapping players in and out, so they to are
permanently in use. Stuff I don't use is just packed up in boxes or
stands on the floor; I don't bother with "audiophile" conditioning of
the room -- book and CD lines walls do me fine, together with thick
carpets and throwmats for extra absobency anywhere I am likely to sit;
I live in a Georgian house at least 200 years old so the rooms have
high ceilings and abutments for fireplaces, which are all good, and
the converted attic where I spend most of my time has a sloping roof,
which is even better. I've been threatening for years to hide all the
cables and move the surplus gear out of sight into another room and
get a glass desk and a leather captain's seat (I sit on a cloth
covered high-backed chair office I designed and licensed to a company
which sells ergonomic gear) and become elegant but there is always new
work and no idle time in which to lounge elegantly. Maybe when I'm old
I'll be elegant and have an "audiophile system" and take myself and it
very seriously.

HTH.

Still working my way through my Handel disks. Now playing Fabio
Biondi's world premiere recording of Poro with Europa Galante (Opus
111).

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

True, there must be someone quite clever behind it... but I seriously
doubt that the persona we observe here is anything at all like that
actual individual. So, whereas I may not *like* you, I must respect
you. McCoy I neither like nor dislike as I do not believe there is an
actual "there" to deserve such efforts. Tweaking it is great fun,
however.

Somehow that paragraph seems internally inconsistent. If "Andre" is
nothing but a chimera as you believe, but as you say "there must be
someone quite clever behind it", then that person would be an
actual "there", deserving of either your like or dislike.

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

Logic chopping. Your specialty.

I would like to believe that the entity behind "the real McCoy" is
having as much fun as I do, or at least one hopes so. The alternative
is too sad to contemplate... again leaving no room for "like" or
"dislike"... as the entity is simply not worth it.

If my contention is true, perhaps grudging admiration... but not
dislike. Dislike I reserve for those worthy of such efforts.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Did you forget the email you recently sent me saying how you truly hate me
and McCoy? Realizing that you are totally whipped and undressed for all to
see, you try to temper your loosing position. Now there's only 2 things I
don't like about you ... and that's your face.

UOOContempt

On May 20, 4:54 pm, "west" wrote:
True, there must be someone quite clever behind it... but I seriously
doubt that the persona we observe here is anything at all like that
actual individual. So, whereas I may not *like* you, I must respect
you. McCoy I neither like nor dislike as I do not believe there is an
actual "there" to deserve such efforts. Tweaking it is great fun,
however.

Somehow that paragraph seems internally inconsistent. If "Andre" is
nothing but a chimera as you believe, but as you say "there must be
someone quite clever behind it", then that person would be an
actual "there", deserving of either your like or dislike.

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

Logic chopping. Your specialty.

I would like to believe that the entity behind "the real McCoy" is
having as much fun as I do, or at least one hopes so. The alternative
is too sad to contemplate... again leaving no room for "like" or
"dislike"... as the entity is simply not worth it.

If my contention is true, perhaps grudging admiration... but not
dislike. Dislike I reserve for those worthy of such efforts.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Did you forget the email you recently sent me saying how you truly hate me
and McCoy? Realizing that you are totally whipped and undressed for all to
see, you try to temper your loosing position. Now there's only 2 things I
don't like about you ... and that's your face.

UOOContempt



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You poor, sad, benighted idiot. Neither you nor your idol are worth
the effort of hate. And let the record show that I have stated that
repeatedly. It is the behavior of a Timmee-in-training to make up
facts and opinions when the reality is unsatisfying for their wasted
needs. Contempt at best, hatred I reserve for those who actually
deserve it... and neither of you even distantly approach that
condition.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

On May 20, 5:54 pm, "west" wrote:

Did you forget the email you recently sent me saying how you truly hate me
and McCoy? Realizing that you are totally whipped and undressed for all to
see, you try to temper your loosing position. Now there's only 2 things I
don't like about you ... and that's your face.

Perhaps the curious in the group might like to see your e-mail to me
together with my two replies....
__________________________________________________ _
Your note:

This is exactly the kind of garbage spewing that Iain so kindly asked
for you to stop. My skin is thick so you're only making yourself look
foolish. But you are most likely being sucessful at chasing away those
learned posters who shy away from this Ng because of ppl like you. So
many have already left as Mr. Churches aptly pointed out. Rodents are
missing a wealth of information because of it. Please clean up your
act. Try to control yourself. If you feel that you just have to get it
out of your system, perhaps you can send it via private email.

Cordially,
west
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Wieck
Newsgroups: rec.audio.tubes
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:53 PM
Subject: Caring For Your LPs


On May 6, 7:11 pm, "west" wrote:
I would like some practical advice on how to clean and care for my LPs. A
colleague told me he just uses soap and water. I don't think that this is a
good idea especially because the water in Florida is very hard. I owned a
VPI 16 that bit the dust a few years ago. Looking at some of the prices for
auto cleaning machines and the various specialized fluids seem outlandish.
Yet some of my records are (to me) irreplaceable. How do you care for your
vinyl? Thanks in advance.

Cordially,
west

Oh, for krissakes....

There is so damned much good information out there on the care and
feeding of vinyl that for you to ask such a question without doing the
primary research yourself is irresponsible, lazy and just plain
stupid.

For one claiming to have daughters 'who went on to West
Point' (dubious at best.... especially the daughter part... making you
a parent... YIKES!), that would require that you are old enough to be
of the vinyl generation at least towards its end. And, at the end of
the vinyl generation, its care and feeding was pretty sophisticated.
Meaning you are being disingenuous at best.

So, give it a rest and do some real work for once. Start with the
obvious. Start with the most basic implications of the species.

a) keep the records clean. Scrupulously clean.
b) do not play them more than once in 24 hours. Can you guess why? I
doubt it.
c) keep them free of static to the extent possible.
d) use the proper stylus.
e) make damned sure that the stylus is in good condition.
f) track at the proper force.
g) use the best damned tone-arm you can afford, preferably linear.

After that, there isn't a whole helluvalot more to do about it. And,
for the record, "Young professional" and "daughters went on to West
Point" are mutually exclusive. So, which is it?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
_____________________________________________
Reply 1:

With all due respect, you are a fool. Worse, you are an obtuse fool
with the insight of a warthog. For all your puling, whining, claims of
sensitivity and attempts at cleverness, until you think before you
"send", you will continue to be a fool.


It is quite rare that I engage in no-holds-barred vituperation and
invective, but if ever there were a coterie of smug little idiots, it
would be you and your idol, and the accretion of vermin that buzz
about you. The saddest part about the entire situation is that between
the group of you, there is not enough genuine knowledge of tube lore
or the care and feeding of tube equipment to support a one-tube
Crosley Pup radio.

You deserve what you get, you ask for it, you revel in it, so quit
bitching when it happens.

Peter Wieck
________________________________________________
Reply 2:

Of course, if you actually want to learn something about vintage
equipment, audio and otherwise, and you stop feeling sorry for
yourself long enough to do something about it:

http://www.dvhrc.org/gallery06.cfm

http://www.renningers.com/kutzradio.htm

.... would be a worthwhile endeavor for you. Lots of material, parts,
information, tubes, caps, bits, pieces dibs and dabs, bits and bobs.
And a lot of equipment. I run a diagnostic clinic, others with design
and production expertise and DEEP knowledge of tube lore from its very
roots are in attendance and more than willing to talk, help, give
advice, even hands-on help... all without the slighest need to blow
their own horns or pontificate about their former years as an advisor
to heads of state.... And later on this crew will swap tales and save
the world over a bottle of good single-malt... or cheap beer, or
bottled water, whatever works. Patrick Turner would be right at home;
Andre(w) would be first laughed at, then ignored. Were it to persist,
finally ridden out on a rail.

Keep in mind that the art of tubes has not advanced in 40 years other
than around the edges. So a good grounding in essential designs and
successful executions of these designs is imperative if you wish to
move forward in the hobby. Which is why I have suggested on several
occasions that you start with something basic and well-understood,
such as a Dyna 70 or similar and rebuild it to the many permutations
and combinations of designs that are out there and made for it. Get
those under your belt and much will become clear. Better yet, start
with a simple 5-tube, no-transformer radio. Rebuild that back to the
best it can be, and you will have learned: Amplification, rF
reception, feedback circuitry, transformer (output) matching and
loading, alignment, the effect of capacitor sizes on tone, lead
dressing, hum-loops.... all with five little (cheap) tubes. Basic sh*t
that without it being part of your thinking process will trip you
every time if ignored. Too often, one behaves as your idol expecting a
design to spring like Athena fully armored from its fevered brow.

And that sort of thinking is incredibly dangerous... as well as being
a singularly powerful and attractive force of ignorance.

You need to get out more.

Peter Wieck
_____________________________________________

Nothing much about hatred... just an abiding contempt, but some hope
that you might break the thrall McCoy has over you and start thinking
for yourself... little hope of that.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

How can you be such an ASS and say that amplitude and frequency are
analogous? You have to be a total clueless idiot to even think along those
lines. Perhaps you were better off with Heath-Kits.

west

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


John Byrns wrote:

Peter Wieck wrote:
John:

Whoops: http://www.graniteaudio.com/phono/page5.html

should get you there.

For the record: Whatever positions and suppositions you may take, and
from whatever point of view, whichever cutting head and system, the
actual subject-at-hand is the *present* RIAA Curve as practiced each
day. This is presumably a fixed value both on recording and playback.

That curve is at the bottom of the article. The Bass Boost and the
Treble Cut on playback cross the Bass Cut and Treble Boost on
recording at ~1.2Khz.... not quite what you are writing.

References are at the bottom of the article.

Peter, this article assumes that a "magnetic" pickup is being used to
reproduce the LP. "Magnetic" pickups do not respond directly to the
amplitude of the signal recorded in the LP's grooves and requires
compensation.

Let me attempt to explain, I'm going to assume that you have some
knowledge of math and know what differentiation is.

Why makes it so complicated ?

The magnetic pickup responds not just to the amplitude of the signal in
the
groove but it's rate of change too.

So a signal of the same amplitude on the disc at say 2kHz will produce a
voltage
at the pickup that's twice what it would be at 1kHz.

Graham

In article .com,
Peter Wieck wrote:
On May 20, 5:54 pm, "west" wrote:

Did you forget the email you recently sent me saying how you truly
hate me and McCoy? Realizing that you are totally whipped and
undressed for all to see, you try to temper your loosing position. Now
there's only 2 things I don't like about you ... and that's your face.

Perhaps the curious in the group might like to see your e-mail to me
together with my two replies....
__________________________________________________ _
Your note:

This is exactly the kind of garbage spewing that Iain so kindly asked
for you to stop. My skin is thick so you're only making yourself look
foolish. But you are most likely being sucessful at chasing away those
learned posters who shy away from this Ng because of ppl like you. So
many have already left as Mr. Churches aptly pointed out. Rodents are
missing a wealth of information because of it.

It's a theme Iain Churches likes to propagate. I've not seen any
indication of it, though. This wealth of talent waiting in the sidelines
for better behavoir.

--
*El nino made me do it

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

west wrote:

How can you be such an ASS and say that amplitude and frequency are
analogous?

Jeez.

How can you be so stupid as to think that's what I said.

Poopie said:

How can you be such an ASS and say that amplitude and frequency are
analogous?

How can you be so stupid as to think that's what I said.

To be fair, Poopie, you do say a lot of stupid things.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

west wrote:

How can you be such an ASS and say that amplitude and frequency are
analogous? You have to be a total clueless idiot to even think along those
lines. Perhaps you were better off with Heath-Kits.



He didn't. Read it again.

Ian

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
Peter Wick wrote:
On May 20, 5:54 pm, "west" wrote:

Did you forget the email you recently sent me saying how you truly
hate me and McCoy? Realizing that you are totally whipped and
undressed for all to see, you try to temper your loosing position. Now
there's only 2 things I don't like about you ... and that's your face.

Perhaps the curious in the group might like to see your a-mail to me
together with my two replies....
__________________________________________________ _
Your note:

This is exactly the kind of garbage spewing that Iain so kindly asked
for you to stop. My skin is thick so you're only making yourself look
foolish. But you are most likely being successful at chasing away those
learned posters who shy away from this Ng because of pal like you. So
many have already left as Mr. Churches aptly pointed out. Rodents are
missing a wealth of information because of it.

It's a theme Iain Churches likes to propagate. I've not seen any
indication of it, though. This wealth of talent waiting in the sidelines
for better behaviour.

Dave. Perhaps you don't have access to the closed groups were
these people, many of whom are your former BBC colleagues are
to be found. This matter is discussed not infrequently.
If they don't bother to correspond with you by a.mail either,
you are probably are not aware of what is really going on, and
thus see no indication of it.

They are certainly not waiting for better behaviour, as
most agree that Usenet will probably not improve, while closed
groups (unmoderated but civilised) go from strength to strength.

Have you never stopped to think why audio designers and
technical writers give Usenet groups like this one such a wide
berth, and have you not noticed the large number of good people
that have disappeared from UKRA in the time you have been
following it. These people are still around, but elsewhe-)
Surely this is a loss to a group like this one, the core
subscribers of which can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

I correspond regularly with an ex BBC chap who has had
a number of papers published in the JAES and has written
articles in both Studio Sound and the hi-fi press. He
told me that he would prefer cranial surgery to discussion
with Pinkie's Boys (whom I took to be Stewart, yourself
and Arny)

Cordially,
Iain