On Jul 15, 5:08 am, John Phillips
wrote:
On 2007-07-14, harrogate3 wrote:

... why the hell did they find it necessary to show it on TV 30 minutes
later than live.

I assume it's what they found out in practice a few years ago. You can't
fully synchronise too many combinations of:

- FM sound
- DAB sound
- Analogue TV sound
- DTTV sound

with

- Analogue TV vision
- DTTV vision

So TV and radio broadcasts of the Proms seem now to be deliberately well
separated to avoid complaints of poor synchronisation.

--
John Phillips


How interesting, yes of course. With the analgue TV and FM radio they
used to regularly so simultaneous broadcasts using the two together
but that is impossible now.

Even the "six pips" are late on DAB radio.

Robert

In article .com,
RobertL wrote:
How interesting, yes of course. With the analgue TV and FM radio they
used to regularly so simultaneous broadcasts using the two together
but that is impossible now.

Even the "six pips" are late on DAB radio.

And the delay varies between receivers...

--
*If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 2007-07-15, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , John Phillips
wrote:
On 2007-07-14, harrogate3 wrote:
... why the hell did they find it necessary to show it on TV 30
minutes later than live.

I assume it's what they found out in practice a few years ago. You
can't fully synchronise too many combinations of:

[snip]

So TV and radio broadcasts of the Proms seem now to be deliberately well
separated to avoid complaints of poor synchronisation.

I have assumed it is because they now have the equipment to 'time shift'
the broadcast, and so do for convenient sheduling. Maybe it would also
allow some flexibility in case they want to snip out some of the 'padding'
in the interval should the concert run a few mins late.

Yes - I was speculating on the technical issues but these are also
good reasons.

Whatever, I watched/listened again yesterday afternoon to the recording I'd
made, and once again found it enjoyable. This time I enjoyed the Elgar
more. Pleased that my new recorder seems to have done a decent job.

I too have and like the Du Pre / Barbirolli Elgar cello concerto on disc.
But I found the opening night version very good, so presumably I am not
too acclimatised to that "classic" recording.

Nevertheless I often find I AM acclimatised to performances and styles
of playing that I have heard in the past. Sometimes, with new versions
of familiar music or new pieces, I find it takes the second hearing for
me to appreciate the alternative musicality. So I tend to refrain from
judging performances too quickly (and indeed the same principle applied
when I was last selecting audio kit).

Looking forwards keenly to the other proms. :-)

Indeed. The Rameau last night was highly enjoyable. I can just imagine
something similar being performed at the French court of the time.

And then there's Wagner on 12th August to anticipate and many more to
savour ...

--
John Phillips

On 2007-07-16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article .com,
RobertL wrote:
How interesting, yes of course. With the analgue TV and FM radio they
used to regularly so simultaneous broadcasts using the two together
but that is impossible now.

Even the "six pips" are late on DAB radio.

And the delay varies between receivers...

Indeed - and that's actually the key point which seems to put paid to
any hope of simultaneous broadcasts in future. Of course you could
DIY at home these days, if there were any good reason.

--
John Phillips

On 16 Jul 2007 09:33:59 GMT, John Phillips
wrote:

How interesting, yes of course. With the analgue TV and FM radio they
used to regularly so simultaneous broadcasts using the two together
but that is impossible now.

Even the "six pips" are late on DAB radio.

And the delay varies between receivers...

Indeed - and that's actually the key point which seems to put paid to
any hope of simultaneous broadcasts in future. Of course you could
DIY at home these days, if there were any good reason.

But wasn't the point of the simulcast obsolete once TV got stereo
audio?

In article ,
John Phillips wrote:
Indeed - and that's actually the key point which seems to put paid to
any hope of simultaneous broadcasts in future. Of course you could
DIY at home these days, if there were any good reason.

I'm not sure why you'd need a simulcast. It was nice in the days of mono
TV, though.

--
*Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Looking forwards keenly to the other proms. :-)

Indeed. The Rameau last night was highly enjoyable. I can just imagine
something similar being performed at the French court of the time.

Yes wasn't it except I gave up with the radio version much too much
noise from the dancers, and switched to the TV version which now with
the visual content far better and the TV sound via SAT was rather good
at 256 K MP2..

Excellent prom otherwise I'd have gone if I could;!..

And then there's Wagner on 12th August to anticipate and many more to
savour ...

Indeed .. I believe they still have tickets, but I'd need a bloody
armchair for that duration!....
--
Tony Sayer

"David Houpt" wrote in message
k...
I am one of
those 'too acclimatised' to the du Pre/Barbirolli versions, etc, to
find
this one easy to warm to.


This is presumably the Elgar - I didn't see/hear the programme. (The
bloody Proms are bad timing for me - I still haven't played last years
recordings!!)


Interesting.

I always found Du Pre too overwrought for me and I much preferred the
more restrained approach of Paul Tortelier and Beecham , for example.


I agree. I have a fabulous mono JDP/LSO/Barber Olly (HMV ALP2106) which
is very dramatic (the definitive?) but also a little *laboured* and the
'cello is very *ripe* when compared to the Robert Cohen/LPO/Del Mar I
have on CFP40342. Unfortunately the CFP is a poor recording (swishing
noises at the all-important start) but the music *soars* in comparison
and the cello does not stand so far forward...

(If I had known you were so keen on the 'cello, I would have pointed you
to these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NYFFENEGGER-Ba...QQcmdZViewItem


But too late now, unfotunately! ;-)


Nice to read something about the music rather than the technology!


Steady on, you'll get a smack from this group's self-appointed
*owner/moderator*....

:-)

In article , John Phillips
wrote:

Indeed. The Rameau last night was highly enjoyable. I can just imagine
something similar being performed at the French court of the time.

Yes. I also enjoyed the Rameau with dancing, etc. Excellent.

Shame, though, about the technical problems with the Campra. The 'live' and
'repeat' versions have identical examples of picture break-up, etc, during
the early parts of the broadcasts. I had hoped it was a local interference
problem when it occurred on the 'live' broadcast, but no such luck.

And then there's Wagner on 12th August to anticipate and many more to
savour ...

Since I find Wagner tedious I will use that time for other purposes.

There are those who like Wagner, and those who like music... I expect I'll
enjoy the music. ;-

Slainte,

Jim

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On 2007-07-16, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , John Phillips
wrote:
And then there's Wagner on 12th August to anticipate and many more to
savour ...

Since I find Wagner tedious I will use that time for other purposes.

There are those who like Wagner, and those who like music... I expect I'll
enjoy the music. ;-

Well if Wagner's not music then I guess Berio isn't either. However
did anyone else see the Berio TV broadcast and think it very strange?
The audio imaging and the video images were frequently very out of kilter
(at least for me):

- the vocal soloists' voices from my audio system were spread rather
wider than my TV screen: the close-ups of the left-hand soloist were
very strange when the sound of his voice was coming from half a metre
to the left of his image on the TV; my fault I suppose for not
listening through the TV's 'speakers;

- there were two distinct levels of ambience. The orchestral
ambience was clear and normal, but the mic'd soloists' voices seemed
to float disembodied from the rest in an ambience-free space (maybe
intentional?);

- one more example: a violin visual close-up but the violin sounding as
per the fixed more distant stereo perspective. In effect it seemed
like the violin was making no sound at all, despite the visible bowing,
since the level was just wrong.

Anyway it was another good concert (and I won't mention the excellent
Bernstein and Ives symphonies).

--
John Phillips




Slainte,

Jim



--
John Phillips