"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
You manage to work valves into most of those too. Why on earth
you're
going for valve mics escapes me.

Don't you have access to any valve mics, Dave?
Neumann U47, U49, U50 are particularly good
They are very expensive, and highly regarded
in classical recording. The only people who don't
like them are those that don't have them:-)

Or those who require to impress a client. ;-)

However, these are a rather different matter from new chinese ones.


So are the prices....



The heart of any condenser mic is the capsule - and always was. This
is a
precision device which like all such things has to be properly made.
And
that costs money.


Did you miss this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=001

??

No capsule.


No - no microphone! The capsule is a K47 and the seller will even give a
warranty on it, apparently!

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
You manage to work valves into most of those too. Why on earth
you're
going for valve mics escapes me.

Don't you have access to any valve mics, Dave?
Neumann U47, U49, U50 are particularly good
They are very expensive, and highly regarded
in classical recording. The only people who don't
like them are those that don't have them:-)

Or those who require to impress a client. ;-)

I have yet to see a client cliamber to the top of
a boom to peer at the badge on the microphone:-)

However, these are a rather different matter from new chinese ones.

It would be interesting to make a comparison. Have you done this?



Has he even heard a Chinese valve mic?? (Other than the Right Channel of
these clips:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0&%20Valve.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0&%20Valve.mp3


....and that one is on its way back to Poole in Dorset as 'not fit for
purpose'!!)

Personally, I doubt it (but I'm always ready to be put right, of course
??) - ordinarily, there's too many people ready to dismiss stuff on
guesswork and hearsay. I at least, get hold of examples and try them for
myself...



I think it is a very good idea indeed for anyone having tried FET
mics to give a good valve mic an audition.


Absolutely!


The fact that so many
vintage Neumann mics have beenconverted *back* from FET
is surely food for thought.


Stuff of legends, AFAIAC - sorry to say!! ;-)

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Did you miss this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=001

??

No capsule.

Eh? That's exactly what it is - the capsule, mounting and windshield. The
bit missing is the head amp or body.

--
*Gun Control: Use both hands.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:
However, these are a rather different matter from new chinese ones.

It would be interesting to make a comparison. Have you done this?

Not with valve mics, no. But have heard plenty of Chinese and Russian
mics. Ok for what they cost but of no use to a pro - unless you need a
disposable mic for any reason.

It's rather like power tools. PPPro etc will be perfectly ok for most DIY
tasks and DIYers who haven't tried Makita. But once you've used a decent
make you won't be satisfied with less.

--
*Reality? Is that where the pizza delivery guy comes from?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message
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Why don't you admit the truth, ****?

That YOU have absolutely nothing to say other than school boy name calling?

MrT.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Not that much less of a stretch than what Keith was saying - that the fact
that CD sales are being replaced by downloaded music is somehow relevant
to
the fact that analog media like the LP went from 100% of the market to
only
a percent or two.

The vinylistas can only dare to dream it will ever again reach "a percent or
two" of total recorded music sales! :-)

MrT.

The **** has a breakthrough.

Why don't you admit the truth, ****?

That YOU have absolutely nothing to say other than school boy name calling?

That's what you come up with after three days of stewing? No wonder you're
the ****.

In article ,
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Not that much less of a stretch than what Keith was saying - that the fact
that CD sales are being replaced by downloaded music is somehow relevant
to
the fact that analog media like the LP went from 100% of the market to
only
a percent or two.

The vinylistas can only dare to dream it will ever again reach "a percent or
two" of total recorded music sales! :-)

MrT.

Other than the resulting increased selection of new stuff, why would
they care?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Should we still accept that the sun
and stars revolve around the earth?

Remember that established Science taught that for most of recorded
history.

Not so. The ancient Greeks pretty much founded the scientific establishment,
and they knew better, as did the Egyptians, some South American cultures and
countless others.
It was only the religious nuts who really changed European thinking for a
millenia. And for much of that, priests promoted themselves as the
"scientific establishment", and holders of all wisdom.

I don't think we have any TV evangelists who are saying that their magic
prayer cloth will double the number of molecules of anything you wrap with
it. Do we? ;-)

No, but they sure have their equivalents, like faith healers etc.

MrT.

"Keith G" wrote in message
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I neither know nor care, but think
about this: If 'vinylists' were as *elitist* as some here would have you
believe, then the smaller that percentage, the better - no?

They must be very happy then - no? :-)


It's amazing what you can do with statistics though. An Audio rag
recently
claimed that turntable sales in England were greater than CD player
sales
last year.
Even IF true, what they conveniently ignored was the millions of DVD
player,
SACD player, DVDA player and other assorted hybrid player sales, that
all
play standard CD disks.


Factor in the 'iPod effect' and you've answered your own question...

What question?


"Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument" is still a
widely
accepted philosophy it seems.

Facts? That's an intriguing prospect - we get a lot of 'facts' in here
(ukra)....

Did you forget the smiley?
Here's one for you :-)

MrT.