In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Go satellite then. Got a Lidel?, near U they do some rather good value
for money satellite stuff from time to time SL65 IIRC. Just needs to see
the *"right" bit of the Sky and avail yourself to some real music radio
in excellent near-as-dammit CD quality)...

That would be Lidl. ;-)

Worth also getting their larger disc and a rotator. For about 200 quid
(without installation costs if any) you'll get pretty well all the free
stuff.

--
*If only you'd use your powers for good instead of evil.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
You manage to work valves into most of those too. Why on earth you're
going for valve mics escapes me.

Don't you have access to any valve mics, Dave?
Neumann U47, U49, U50 are particularly good
They are very expensive, and highly regarded
in classical recording. The only people who don't
like them are those that don't have them:-)

Or those who require to impress a client. ;-)

However, these are a rather different matter from new chinese ones.

The heart of any condenser mic is the capsule - and always was. This is a
precision device which like all such things has to be properly made. And
that costs money.

--
*I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
Bret Ludwig wrote:
But more importantly, almost all pop releases today have audio that
has been through a tube somewhere.

Does that account for the appalling quality? Optimod type thingie set
to kill?

I think he means in the recording chain. Tube mic preamps, and
tube compressors are to be found in almost every studio.

Right. So it's these that are responsible for the appalling quality of
much of today's pop output?

--
*Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

My take is that now that the DJ-driven demand for vinyl is falling off,
and sales are already dropping preciptiously, the hype will trail off.


No Arny, you've got that all wrong (unless you are *distorting* again
which, of course, is highly likely) - it's CDs that are disappearing
rapidly. Vinyl continues to chunter on and with the flood of new hardware
(turntables, carts &c.) I supect it will only grow when the lofts have
been emptied and the owners of that hardware want to feed their
investments...



Hi Keith. I recently attended an audio fair in Copenhagen,
which is attended by collectors from all over the world.
This year, the interest in vinyl was so large, that the few
CD vendors were pushed down into the basement.

Don't be fooled. Vinyl is *totally* dead :-)) LOL

Iain




Hi Iain & keith,

There is more than ever vinyl and tt's at the audio shows, Son et Image
Montreal, German High End Show, Primedia, CES, Home Entertainment Show,
Cedia etc. etc. all dem'd and displayed vinyl replay. Anyone who now
thinks vinyl is *totally* dead obviously doesn't get out too much. All of my
many audiophile friends use both vinyl and CD and that isn't likely to
change. As far as new vinyl goes we're really spoilt for choice - take a
look at any show, there's always brisk business at the vinyl trade counters.

Mike

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
Dunno if it will even happen. What they ought to do is designate DAB
as
it is for lo-fi portable and mobile applications, and make the high
bitrate stuff available on satellite where the is plenty of
bandwidth
available.

The BBC doesn't even transmit there at high rates, just 192 for
Radio
three whereas a lot of German radio is 320 K or better!....



Hah! I have just uploaded a couple of wobblicam clips for you and
there
you are!

Call me daft, but I do like a bit of 'wireless' on a Sunday Night (R2
atm - Malcolm Laycock's excellent 'Swing' programme) and ventured up
the
'deep end' at one point - check this out:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/106.8MHz.wmv

Lite FM from Concrete-a-borough, processed to within an inch of its
life!..


And compare it with R3 (bloody speech again - as ever, but you'll get
the idea!):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Radio3.wmv

Indeed..


Nowhere is safe these days, even UK radio is down the ****ter - DAB
*or*
FM, from what I can see!!


Go satellite then. Got a Lidel?, near U they do some rather good
value
for money satellite stuff from time to time SL65 IIRC. Just needs to
see
the *"right" bit of the Sky and avail yourself to some real music
radio
in excellent near-as-dammit CD quality)...




* which can be on the ground!..


Yes, we had a flyer from Lidl's with satellite kit (including 'station
finders') in it only the other day and would expect they are in stock
right now (if not all sold), but I really don't want to go that route -
for the forseeable, anyway.

Despite the various shortcomings, I *do* get by with R2, R3 and Carsick
FM for what limited 'radio time' I get in the evenings. But the holidays
are over (today) and R3 has been not at all bad this morning. (Virtually
no jabber do far!) When the radio is only 'sonic wallpaper' on all day,
I hafta admit I'm not listening too closely (plus in and out all the
time) so 'broadcast quality issues' are not to the forefront!

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

My take is that now that the DJ-driven demand for vinyl is falling
off,
and sales are already dropping preciptiously, the hype will trail
off.


No Arny, you've got that all wrong (unless you are *distorting* again
which, of course, is highly likely) - it's CDs that are disappearing
rapidly. Vinyl continues to chunter on and with the flood of new
hardware
(turntables, carts &c.) I supect it will only grow when the lofts
have
been emptied and the owners of that hardware want to feed their
investments...



Hi Keith. I recently attended an audio fair in Copenhagen,
which is attended by collectors from all over the world.
This year, the interest in vinyl was so large, that the few
CD vendors were pushed down into the basement.

Don't be fooled. Vinyl is *totally* dead :-)) LOL



:-)

Yes, check out my recent eBay FB (ignore the plants, glass fish,
coloured pencils and 'signal booster' - they're not me):

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayIS... edbackAsBuyer


I reckon (know, actually) that's well over a dozen 'Slavic' LPs and just
1 CD in the last few weeks alone....!!

:-)

"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Hi Iain & keith,



Hi Mike!



There is more than ever vinyl and tt's at the audio shows, Son et
Image Montreal, German High End Show, Primedia, CES, Home
Entertainment Show, Cedia etc. etc. all dem'd and displayed vinyl
replay. Anyone who now thinks vinyl is *totally* dead obviously
doesn't get out too much. All of my many audiophile friends use both
vinyl and CD and that isn't likely to change.


Same here - I hesitate to call the local circle of hifi enthusiasts
'audiophiles' but there's half a dozen of 'em in and around St Neots
that I know and meet from time to time and they all play *both* LPs and
CDs!

(All of them also own some valve gear but one of them doesn't use it
atm, AFAIK...)


As far as new vinyl goes we're really spoilt for choice - take a
look at any show, there's always brisk business at the vinyl trade
counters.


So I believe! (I don't get to 'audio shows' myself!)

:-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
You manage to work valves into most of those too. Why on earth
you're
going for valve mics escapes me.

Don't you have access to any valve mics, Dave?
Neumann U47, U49, U50 are particularly good
They are very expensive, and highly regarded
in classical recording. The only people who don't
like them are those that don't have them:-)

Or those who require to impress a client. ;-)

However, these are a rather different matter from new chinese ones.


So are the prices....



The heart of any condenser mic is the capsule - and always was. This
is a
precision device which like all such things has to be properly made.
And
that costs money.


Did you miss this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=001

??

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:



I've got a number of SS mics already (also on the above link), I just
want to try a valve mic to see/hear for myself and get, dare I say
it, a
'balanced view'...??

Not really. To do reasonable comparisons for the real world requires
reasonable hearing and knowing what you're listening for.


Which is why I post clips for the opinions of other who *supposedly*
know more than I do. They are usually mostly for Don who never fails to
give good advice and FB but, as they are already *up there* in
Cyberspace, I usually mention them here because, let's face it Plowie,
without my *blogging*, your *memoirs* and the odd bit of transatlantic,
crossposted trolling, there wouldn't be a whole lot of traffic in here -
other than the odd, monthly 'helpdesk' enquiry...



By the amount of experimenting you do - with each new project being
an
'improvement' - my guess is you have no real idea what you're
searching
for or how to achieve it. Really, you seem to be trying to re-invent
the
wheel. Things like valve mics/amps and horn speakers were superseded
by
modern techniques for a very good reason - not some conspiracy.


Calm down Plowie - I'm not *re-inventing* anything, I'm simply
investigating for myself. (Or is there some new EEC legislation to
prevent that or summat?)



Of course there's nothing wrong in starting from basics and arriving
at
your own conclusions. Plenty here will have done this in real time
rather
than trying to compress it all into a few years.


I don't have more than a few years, besides I don't need to know the
various topics down to *molecular level* - some better understanding
than blindly following the instructions on the box is all I need...


But like any child who learns by experience you also seem to dislike
hearing 'I told you so'...


Damn right I do. Do you know anyone who doesn't - especially when it
comes from one of those *types* who thinks their own *perceived* greater
experience/knowledge gives them leave to be rude, patronising and
condescending to anyone who declares a level of ignorance or
inexperience in the same subject? When your input to one of my topics
has been helpful and not impolite, you have been thanked for it; when
your input has (more commonly) been rude, patronising or insulting, you
have been ignored...

I'm surprised you haven't twigged that yet...

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

Here's your challenge - find a significant (3% of the market) amount of
newly-produced media, or even media produced produced in the last 30
years,
that didn't pass through at least one SS device.

But more importantly, almost all pop releases today have audio that
has been through a tube somewhere.

Nonsense.