"Keith G" wrote in message


No Arny, you've got that all wrong (unless you are
*distorting* again which, of course, is highly likely) -
it's CDs that are disappearing rapidly.

Not in terms of sales percentages.

Vinyl continues
to chunter on and with the flood of new hardware
(turntables, carts &c.)

In the US, LP sales have hit the skids. Again.

I think we need to consider the psychology and sociology
of the situation, By publically fawning all over vinyl,
people join what they perceive to be an elite. The
psychology of preferring vinyl despite its warts is
similar to piercing.

Studying the psychology of those who feel *excluded* from
what is a fairly commonplace and mundane leisure activity
might be more interesting and then maybe go on to try and
fathom why the same evidenced *denial* is being applied
to any new HD audio media??

What are you talking about? Who is being excluded from what fairly
commonplace and mundane leisure activity?

If you're saying that playing vinyl is fairly commonplace and mundane, you
need to get out more! Hardly anybody does that any more. Most people who
have seen it done in the last decade saw it in a dance club. Even among
audiophiles, only a small fraction still mess with vinyl.

If you're saying that people are excluded from playing vinyl against their
will, then you *really* need to get out more! Vinyl used to be the only
game in town, and everybody played it. Now only a few percent of the
population bother with it.

And, if you're talking about me Keith, then you're really going on
ignorantly because I'm one of those few people who have a working vinyl
playback system, and use it to this day, occasionally, to digititize LPs for
friends and acquaintances.

Readers of a UK newsgroup might want to ask themselves
why a foreigner feels it necessary to pound it
relentlessly with *antivinyl propaganda*??

What *antivinyl propaganda*?? Vinyl is what it is - a legacy technology
that has been largely abandoned by music lovers because of its inferior
sonics and practical difficulties.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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On Aug 31, 7:11 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message

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The Ampex units are total overkill for domestic use.
I'd take a Revox A700 over an Ampex any day. For speed
stability, that direct drive Pabst capstan motor
combined with the electronic servo tensioning, was just
unbeatable. And the electronics were modern and quiet.
Plus, unlike the Ampex, the whole package doesn't take
up an entire room.
What's better about a Revox than an AG440 or a 351?

The A77 had a number of advantages over those old
Ampexes especially the 351- size, weight, price,
reliability, and availability. All that and equivalent
or better performance.

The 351 has big synchronous motors that run on AC and are
mechanically foolproof if the rubber parts are available.

Ironic that you talk about big synchronous motors (note plural) , when there
is only one motor in a 351 that has any need to synchronize with anything.

Bret are you saying that you have a problem with the Revox solution to the
same basic need, which is a motor that is in a constant-speed servo loop?

Unlike you Bret, I've actually seen and touched a 351.
The thing is about the size of a washing machine and
about as portable. People who carted 351s around to
record live performances were heroes!

For house use, the heavier the better.

351s are awkward to even move around inside a house, especially between
floors.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message


No, as I've said recently elsewhere, I'm heartily sick of
seeing the words 'valvelike' and 'analogue sound' being
applied to SS kit and digital music by silly *hip*
magazine writers.


Agreed, no reason to slander good SS kit and good digital recordings
that way.


Except to *tempt* people to buy it....??

(Think about it...)

"Dozy" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

No Arny, you've got that all wrong (unless you are *distorting* again
which, of course, is highly likely) - it's CDs that are disappearing
rapidly.

LOL

Idiot.



If you are posting/crossposting into ukra it's not necessary to declare
your *occupation* Dozy, old bean...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message


No Arny, you've got that all wrong (unless you are
*distorting* again which, of course, is highly likely) -
it's CDs that are disappearing rapidly.

Not in terms of sales percentages.


No? I would have thought a fall in sales revenue of 19.8% in just three
months was a pretty good indicator:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6933632.stm



Vinyl continues
to chunter on and with the flood of new hardware
(turntables, carts &c.)

In the US, LP sales have hit the skids. Again.


Wouldn't know, but the phrase 'down, but not out' springs immediately to
mind...??


snip

Readers of a UK newsgroup might want to ask themselves
why a foreigner feels it necessary to pound it
relentlessly with *antivinyl propaganda*??

What *antivinyl propaganda*?? Vinyl is what it is - a legacy
technology that has been largely abandoned by music lovers because of
its inferior sonics and practical difficulties.


This is my point entirely - I don't think the 'transatlantic view' is
anything like relevant in this UK ng.

You and a *precious few* others (crossposted with only a couple of
indigenous, from what I can see) can hide behind all the *vinyl denial*
you want but the facts are a wee bit different and speak for themselves;
the current issue (Aug 2007) of just one 'UK audio magazine' has a
'vinyl mention' on at least 20 pages - not counting much more stuff
hidden in text and/or small ads.

Here are some quick snaps of the cover and *only* the double-page
spreads, to give you an idea:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/MagCover.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/DoubleSpread01.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/DoubleSpread02.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/DoubleSpread03.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/DoubleSpread04.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/DoubleSpread05.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/DoubleSpread06.JPG


How *legacy* and *abandoned* does that look to you? Really?

And remember the point I made a day or two ago - having bought some of
this hugely expensive kit, the owners are going to want to feed it for a
long time to come so I think it's safe to say that there's still a
future for modern LPs. I don't think many people are paying 4K for
turntables (DoubleSpread05) or 2.3K for carts (DoubleSpread06) just to
play the 80s crap from their lofts or Classics For Pleasure cheepies
from the local charity shop....

Perhaps you are confusing modern LPs with 78s on 'gramophones'....??

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:


****ing hard to stay out of all this crap, ain't it?

:-)



Well, the weekend had started :-)

This thread is fairly benign.


That's because ukra's No.1 Poison Dwarf is no longer with us - you
remember: Two rational posts then rapidly degenerating into invective
and verbal abuse in any 'vinyl thread'!


It's when the rant gets ratcheted up to
bits and noise, and CDs simply *must* sound better that I get bemused.
A clear case of autosuggestion.


What? Like 'Vinyl lovers tend to give the impression there are no poorly
recorded LPs.'..??

;-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rob wrote:
This thread is fairly benign. It's when the rant gets ratcheted up to
bits and noise, and CDs simply *must* sound better that I get
bemused. A
clear case of autosuggestion.

The CD *medium* will always sound better than vinyl - if you value
audio
quality. Individual CDs are a different matter. Rubbish in rubbish
out.
But then that applies to vinyl too. Vinyl lovers tend to give the
impression there are no poorly recorded LPs.



And CD lovers tend to give the impression there are no poorly recorded
CDs, but you should know better than to go by *impressions*...

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message


No, as I've said recently elsewhere, I'm heartily sick
of seeing the words 'valvelike' and 'analogue sound'
being applied to SS kit and digital music by silly *hip*
magazine writers.


Agreed, no reason to slander good SS kit and good
digital recordings that way.


Except to *tempt* people to buy it....??

In fact there's virtually no discussion of SS versus tubed audio gear
anyplace but a few esoteric circles. The days of comparsions between tubed
and SS passed along several decades ago, with SS winning decisively.

Here's your challenge - find a significant (3% of the market) amount of
newly-produced media, or even media produced produced in the last 30 years,
that didn't pass through at least one SS device.

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message


No Arny, you've got that all wrong (unless you are
*distorting* again which, of course, is highly likely) -
it's CDs that are disappearing rapidly.

Not in terms of sales percentages.


No? I would have thought a fall in sales revenue of 19.8%
in just three months was a pretty good indicator:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6933632.stm

OK Keith, so you can't tell the difference between a sales percentage for
vinyl, and an indicator of an ongoing transition from one form of digital
media to another form of digital media.

Not my problem!

"Keith G" wrote in message



And CD lovers tend to give the impression there are no
poorly recorded CDs,


Straw man argument, if not an out-an-out lie!