"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
The greeks were a diverse lot. Just because some greek someplace thought
that the earth circulated around the sun didn't keep others from believing
that Icaraus flew so close to the sun that the feathers on his arms melted
off.

True, but most knew the difference between science and mythology.
I'm sure you do too.

Science and religion started out being almost completely blended together.
Early technology was practiced by many as a kind of religious rite. Most
universities were run by the Church. Government, Science and Religon were
blended together.

Yes, and not necessarily for the better. Anything that contradicted the
current wisdom was considered heresy.

And for much of that, priests promoted themselves as the
"scientific establishment", and holders of all wisdom.

That was simply how things were. During the dark ages the churches were
the
places where ancient scientific wisdom was preserved and practiced.

In fact the dark ages was all about them NOT wanting any alternate wisdom to
be preserved.

TV faith healers are an aberration, not the mainstream of people of faith.

Agreed, just like vinylista's are not the mainstream of music listeners :-)

MrT.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
You never worked out that if you don't *attack* vinyl, people like me
don't have to *defend* it - did you?

No, since I have NEVER started a digital Vs analog debate in my life, and
would NEVER bother to do so.
Someone sure as hell has been starting them for the last 25 years though,
despite my NOT doing so.

MrT.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"Arny Krueger" wrote

I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the
truth in the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people remember
as the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl discs
have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to 100-percent
of the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain
only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music files
are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a CD."

Lies and distortions? Where's your proof?

So you agree with that stupid statement then, where's YOUR proof, or even a
definition of what the hell he's on about?

MrT.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be technical
experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts of basic audio
engineering training.

They'd just go over the heads of their target audience then, and be replaced
with someone who didn't.
Most people do not wish to learn unfortunately, they only want their biases
reinforced.
Haven't you noticed the same thing happens on Usenet?

MrT.

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Give these people a shout - they'll ship you one today, if you want
and
they're on your doostep aren't they...??

musicdirect

For the same price as an average CD player? :-) :-)

MrT.



At least Arny has the sense to shut TF up when his errors have been
pointed out.

What do you call an 'average CD player' anyway? - There's plenty of them
in the UK for a lot more money than that Marantz TT. (Not that it's got
****-all to do with anything....)

"Jenn" wrote in message

et...
lol Just as I thought; you don't even know what you're arguing about.

I did ask you to explain your position, and you still refuse to do so, so
obviously I have NO idea what YOU are arguing about.

MrT.

"Adam Stouffer" wrote in message
news:MtqDi.7009$3R5.965@trnddc05...
Arny Krueger wrote:

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when
judged
by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage goes to
the
CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.


Too bad they don't take advantage of it

And most of us would agree with that, but I wouldn't want every CD to fully
use 90dB+ dynamic range either, very hard to listen to on anything other
than well sealed headphones or in an anechoic chamber.
The useful benefit is that the system noise floor is always inaudible
regardless of how much or how little dynamic range the actual music has.
The same cannot be said of vinyl unfortunately.

MrT.

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"Arny Krueger" wrote

I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the
truth in the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this
thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people
remember
as the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl
discs
have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to
100-percent
of the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain
only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music
files
are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a
CD."

Lies and distortions? Where's your proof?

So you agree with that stupid statement then, where's YOUR proof, or
even a
definition of what the hell he's on about?

MrT.


So you disagree with that stupid statement then, where's YOUR proof, or
even a definition of what the hell he's on about?

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
You never worked out that if you don't *attack* vinyl, people like me
don't have to *defend* it - did you?

No, since I have NEVER started a digital Vs analog debate in my life,
and
would NEVER bother to do so.
Someone sure as hell has been starting them for the last 25 years
though,
despite my NOT doing so.

MrT.



No, you don't strike me as anybody who would stick his dick out far
enought to actually *start* anything - more one of the yapping crowd, I
would say...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
What do you call an 'average CD player' anyway?

Average price, highest selling volumes, pick whatever you like that roughly
fits.

- There's plenty of them
in the UK for a lot more money than that Marantz TT. (Not that it's got
****-all to do with anything....)

You got the last bit right anyway.

MrT.