Audio Banter

Audio Banter (https://www.audiobanter.co.uk/forum.php)
-   uk.rec.audio (General Audio and Hi-Fi) (https://www.audiobanter.co.uk/uk-rec-audio-general-audio/)
-   -   Why are "engineers" so poorly educated? (https://www.audiobanter.co.uk/uk-rec-audio-general-audio/7016-why-engineers-so-poorly-educated.html)

Andre Jute November 4th 07 02:46 PM

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" -- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 
On Nov 4, 5:08 am, " wrote:
Andre- do you have any idea what the Western Electric 300B was
originally designed to do? That's right, amplify voice frequencies
for telephone repeaters to compensate for line losses. That's how
telephone companies supplied long distance service back in the
1930's. I have the original manual for it around here somewhere,
signed by some of the original WE engineers. Here's a modern review
of it,


This is getting tiresome. Who is the review by? How the **** am I
supposed to conclude anything from it unless I know who wrote it?

"Yup, how could any review covering 300B variants be complete without
the ever lovely Western Electric 300B? Please let me say right up
front that i love the midrange. It is one of those midranges that
make you want to crawl up in it and stay warm, cuddly, and happy.
Especially if you have a not so smooth digital front end, the WE300B
can be just what the doctor ordered! Alas, not all is perfect
though. The extreme uppermost and lowermost frequencies aren't quite
reproduced as well as the KR Enterprise 300BXLS or even the Art Audio
or JJ, but are better then the hazy Centron 300B to my ears.


Okay. So? Who says all this? I have KR tubes too, put into my hands by
Mrs Kron herself. And I have the JJ prototype 300B lab samples. And a
lot of other 300B, including WE. But so what?

Next, does the quotation continue below or is this you speaking now,
Mayberry? It is offensively careless of you not to place the quotation
marks in the right place for us to tell when the anonymous "reviewer"
stops talking and you start again.

When comparing the weight of the tube itself, the WE300B seems really
lightweight when compared to the KR Enterprise tubes too. It's an
amazing weight difference! The WE300 is very lightweight physically.


This guy writes like an oldtime music hall comic: Tell you you're
going to tell them, then tell them what you're going to tell them,
then tell them you've told them. WTF does the light weight of physical
WE tube have to do with anything?

Still, the sound has all the charm you could ever ask for in the
crucial midrange where a better part of the music resides."


So?

Surprisingly, the midrange frequencies are also the voice frequencies
used in telephone systems... I have an increasingly harder time
believing you have the slightest idea of what you're writing about.


You should take a course in logic, Mayberry. Your anonymous reviewer,
who merely by his "Yup!" style already fails to inspire confiedence,
does not, repeat not, say that the 300B isn't any good outside the
midrange. You have jumped to that conclusion. Then, from one false
conclusion to jump to another:
I have an increasingly harder time
believing you have the slightest idea of what you're writing about.


Why should I care **** what an illogical braggart like you thinks? You
have so far not shown me a single reason not to consider this exchange
as anything but a waste of time writing to a blusttering fool who
catches his cheapies denigrating those he sees as "challengers".

Get it through your thick head, Mayberry. I don't care **** who you
think you are. I am not interested in challenging you. If you can help
me build a better amp, I shall praise you in public; if not, don't
waste my time or your fragile self-confidence will be further
undermined.

If an OTL, SE, Zero NFB, 1 watt amplifier is your version of
perfection, then so be it.


You should also take a course in English comprehension, Mayberry. I
didn't say that either. Furthermore, you should go back to EE school,
if you ever attended one, because on the avidence immediately above,
you cannot even read a schematic. There are no, none, zero OTL tube
amps on my netsite. Perhaps you were looking at someone else's
netsite.

Uh, let's just say it's been done


Really? The ancients built potato amps? The ancients drove SE300B with
battery-biased 417A. Holy Moses! Show us the schematics, sonny.

(Futterman and Gizmo Rosenberg come to mind) and leave it at that.


Harvey Rosenberg sent me a nice note and an affectionately signed copy
of his book when he built one of my designs. He didn't claim he did it
before. (You apparently know very little about Gizmo either. Your
propensity for name-dropping does not enhance your credibility,
Mayberry.)

They sound great at very low levels. You'd need compression horns
for them to really do anything with them though. Quads at 83 dB/SPL/1
Metre just don't cut it.


Oh dear. You know very little about me, Mayberry, and you haven't even
read my replies to your letters with attention. Besides the low output
amps and horns, I also built 80W SE tube amps for driving
electrostats, and of course the usual Class A trioded PP Class A amp
that every sensible audiophile has for the best match to electrostatic
speakers.

And you haven't got your brain in gear. (An amazing oversight for
someone who claims PA experience.) If you want more sound, you just
stack as many ESL63 as are required and use a little ingenuity in
placement. You might read my article on Bessel Arrays.

Much of what you appear to be discovering has already been stolen by
the ancients.


Lucky them. So why do you want to **** on my parade of excitement?

Andre Jute
The trouble with most people is not what they don't know, but what
they know for certain that isn't true. ---Mark Twain




All times are GMT. The time now is 01:17 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0
Copyright ©2004-2006 AudioBanter.co.uk