Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
" wrote:
I think you owe these folks an apology.

Joot owes the entire WORLD an apology for his mere existence.

Graham

Stop whining, Poopie. You held yourself up as an expert, Slapdash
Krueger and Bluster Pearce joined you in your lie, you were caught out
in a professional lie, you got your butt kicked for it

No I didn't.

Didn't what, hold yourself up as an expert, or get your butt kicked for
it? Near as I can tell you did both, you "held yourself up as an
expert", and you "got your butt kicked for it".


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

In article . com,
Andre Jute wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:42 am, Eeyore
wrote:
" wrote:
I think you owe these folks an apology.

Joot owes the entire WORLD an apology for his mere existence.

Graham

Stop whining, Poopie. You held yourself up as an expert, Slapdash
Krueger and Bluster Pearce joined you in your lie, you were caught out
in a professional lie, you got your butt kicked for it, you recanted
(several times), so why drag out your humiliation any further. Let it
die, sonny.

Andre Jute
"Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving
us wordly evidence of the fact."-- George Elliot



Guys, please take this thread out of rec.audio.pro. It does not belong here.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

What is an "engineer" (was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?)
 

"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Ian Iveson wrote:

"Train driver" encourages the misconception, common I
guess
among children who want to be train drivers, that trains
have steering wheels, and require great skill to keep
them
on the tracks.

What a load of absurd nonsense.

Do you see any part of this thread that is *not* absurd?

But then, what else to expect fom you ?

Nothing less I hope...although I admit I need more practice,
I find absurd a particularly difficult mode to master.
Why are the flanges on the inside, BTW? Is it so a tyre can
be changed without removing the wheel?

It certainly never confused me for sure.

LOL.

Ian

What is an "engineer" (was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?)
 

On Oct 26, 3:48?pm, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:
This raises the question of what is an engineer? The
following are a
few of the many definitions I have heard.

1. The person responsible for the operation and maintenance
of a
buildings infrastructure.

2. The person who drives a Train.

3. A person who has received an "engineering" degree from a
University.

4. A person licensed to practice "engineering", similar to
the way
Doctors and Lawyers are licensed.

Regards,

John Byrns

To advertise engineering services in any of the 50 united
states takes #4 above. Registration with the professional
engineering board of the state you offer service in. It is a
crime to offer services or practice electrical engineering
without a the license.

I am a registered professional electrical engineer in
California.

peace
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Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

Definition of an engineer:

Anybody who can't hear the difference between amplifier A and
amplifier B but states that amplifier B sounds better because it has
less distortion.

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
ups.com...
Definition of an engineer:

Anybody who can't hear the difference between amplifier A and
amplifier B but states that amplifier B sounds better because it has
less distortion.


The main prerequisite for anyone to be able to call themselves an
'engineer' is for them to be able to spell the job title correctly...

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

Andy Evans said:

Definition of an engineer:

Anybody who can't hear the difference between amplifier A and
amplifier B but states that amplifier B sounds better because it has
less distortion.

Definition of an Audio 'Borg:

Also can't hear the difference, but states that B is superior because the
phrase "sounds better" is incomprehensible.

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

In article . com,
Andy Evans wrote:

Definition of an engineer:

Anybody who can't hear the difference between amplifier A and
amplifier B but states that amplifier B sounds better because it has
less distortion.

Definition of an audiophile:

Anybody who can't tell which of two amplifiers sounds better without
seeing the amplifiers and knowing which one he is listening to.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

These "Definition of an engineer" jokes, inspired by the current
threads, might amuse you; they're from newsgroups not normally
included in the distribution list for this now nearly concluded
thread:

DEFINITION OF AN ENGINEER:

Anybody who can't hear the difference between amplifier A and
amplifier B but states that amplifier B sounds better because it has
less distortion.

-- Andy Evans

The main prerequisite for anyone to be able to call themselves an
'engineer' is for them to be able to spell the job title correctly...

-- Keith G



On Oct 25, 5:07 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
You really have to wonder.

Here we have three self-proclaimed engineers claiming that Class A is
an amplification Class in which "the output device(s)never cease
conducting under any signal condition."

The three "engineers" in question are Graham "Poopie" Stevenson, Don
"Bluster" Pearce and Arny "I spoke in error" Krueger. Apparently they
are perfectly unable to understand, after they have been told so a
handful of times already, that "any signal condition" includes
overdrive which turns even the correct part of the definition into
absurd nonsense.

Here's the sequence of their errors, with a small sample of their
abuse liberally spattered over the newsgroups:

First Andre Jute, he of the saintly patience, pointed out that Poopie
Stevenson made a silly error:

Poopie's absurd redefinition of Class A as
a Class in which "the output device(s)never cease conducting *under
any signal condition*," (emphasis added). It's ludicrous.

Then Poopie Stevenson confirmed:

It's actually the only accurate definition.

And Arny "I spoke in error" Krueger agreed without any qualification:

Agreed.

Then Andre Jute, he of the saintly patience even with fools, pointed
out that the two parts of redefinition are mutually exclusive:

Any amp can be driven out of class by excessive signal voltage.

Which Poopie tried to blow away with poor-quality smoke:

Overdriving to cut-off is merely gross abuse and a complete red herring /
irrelevance.

Fully supported of course by his yes-man, Arny "I spoke in error"
Krueger:

Agreed. Jute seems to be addicted to excluded-middle arguments. Kick out
those and the straw men, and he's hardly have anything to say. ;-)

Now Don Pearce tries to bluster the argument out with an obvious lie:

Can you overdrive a class A amp to cutoff? In my experience what
happens when you overdrive a class A amp is that one device saturates,
and the other sticks with its normal bias condition. There is no
circumstance in which I have ever managed to put a class A amplifier
output device into cutoff.

d

Of course, it is irrelevant (perhaps even commendable) that Don Pearce
lives such a dull and unadventurous life that he has never overdriven
a Class A amp; perhaps he doesn't own a Class A amp; on the evidence
in this thread he doesn't even know what a Class A amp is. What
matters is that Don Pearce, like Arny Krueger, supports Poopie
Stevenson's absurd definition of Class A operation as 360 degrees of
conduction "under any signal condition".

How can any properly educated engineer not know that the signal in an
amplifier class is by necessity limited?

It is difficult not to conclude that these three clowns, Stevenson,
Krueger and Pearce, are either not engineers, or were not properly
educated, or are too old and fat and slack to remember the basics they
were taught.

I have on previous occasions demonstrated what Poopie Stevenson's
claim of a University of London degree actually means: not very much,
as he got his degree from a jumped-up polytechnic (a British version
of the soldering schools Ludwig is addicted to) forced onto UL by a
socialist government trying to save a buck. Others have noted that
Krueger was "educated" at a community college I have never even heard
of. Who knows where Pearce was so misshapen as to believe that it
doesn't matter how much signal voltage you use in an amplifier?

Poopie Stevenson, Bluster Pearce and Erroneous Krueger are, in
engineering terms, ignorant and abusive clowns "under any signal
condition".

Andre Jute
The trouble with most people is not what they don't know, but what
they know for certain that isn't true. ---Mark Twain

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

Andre-

I suspect I've designed and integrated systems for Disney, Apple, NBC,
AT&T, Sony, Techicolor. It is nearly impossible for you to not have
experienced something I've designed and successfully installed
somewhere in this world unless you've hung out with Bin Laden the last
twenty years. Projects include theme parks, stadia, transportation
systems, retail stores, theater, education, and corporate and military
communication. I've worked with superb engineers and truly lousy
ones.

I've also owned and worked on every class of amplifier, every means
of transduction from plasma to electrostatic, and am a member of ASA,
SMPTE, AES (Executive Committee), and the NFPA. I even have a copy of
"Tube or Not Tube", sitting on my desk.

To that end, my immediate reaction is to dismiss you as a somewhat
frustrated learner with a website. I've yet to see a circuit or
transform named after you, see you present a paper at an Audio
Engineering Society convention, or even develop a successful
commercial product. Yet you have an attitude that transcends those
that have. If you are unable to apologize to those you've insulted,
perhaps it would be prudent for you to think about putting your
keyboard away until the maturization process synchonizes up.