Frequency response of the ear
 

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:


Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to all the
cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are *excused* henceforth....


FWIW Keith, I don't know if you regard me as a 'cringing lurker' or not,
but
I don't particularly want your opinions "directed" to me, so count me out.
I gave up trying to discuss various things with you because of the kind
of behaviour you have shown in threads like this. I do sometimes scan
your postings but have decided I'd be wasting my time to respond.


This post is so ridiculous (on a number of levels) I'm suspicious that it's
a forgery..??

(But if it's not, I'd just say keep it simple Jimbo and use your killfile -
no?)

Frequency response of the ear
 

In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:


Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to all the
cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are *excused*
henceforth....


FWIW Keith, I don't know if you regard me as a 'cringing lurker' or
not, but I don't particularly want your opinions "directed" to me, so
count me out. I gave up trying to discuss various things with you
because of the kind of behaviour you have shown in threads like this.
I do sometimes scan your postings but have decided I'd be wasting my
time to respond.


This post is so ridiculous (on a number of levels) I'm suspicious that
it's a forgery..??

(But if it's not, I'd just say keep it simple Jimbo and use your
killfile - no?)

I'll respond just this once to comment as follows:

Don't see a reason to killfile you. I don't find what you write 'offensive'
or annoying. Just that my view of much of it is as I previously stated.

I did hesitate to make the comments as I suspected you would simply
instantly reject them (as you seem to have done by labelling them
"ridiculous") and/or respond in an apparently patronising manner (e.g. the
"Jimbo"). This is part of the pattern of your behaviour that has made me
lose interest in discussing audio with you.

However after some hesitation I decided to make my previous posting
because, yes, I do wish it were otherwise. If occasions arise that make me
think so, I will respond. Similarly, if you ask a question that I might be
able to answer or help with in a way you'd find useful on some audio point,
I will still be happy to do so. Just that I don't really feel there is any
more point in debating your personal opinions on audio with you.

I am not saying I dislike you or find you nasty, nor that I object to you
expressing your opinions. Not trying to 'win an argument' or call you
names. Just that my view is as I previously stated. You make your choices
and I make mine.

OK, my 2p on this has now run out. I'll let you get back to arguing with
others who are keen to do so... :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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On 2009-04-23, Arny Krueger wrote:
If Keith you are saying that you can't hear the readily audible noise and
distortion that is inherent in things you seem to fancy like SET amplifiers
and LPs, then I have no problem believing that to be true.

The only time I listened to a (4 W) SET amplifier it was driving a pair
of 'speakers which had a sensitivity of just 84 dB SPL at 1 m for 1 W.
To my ears the system was distorting badly and, as it happened, I was
able to verify that it was indeed clipping (albeit soft clipping).

But the owner would have none of this and described the sound as highly
lifelike. I backed off, of course. Although the system sounded bad to
me, if the owner was enjoying it then who was I to say what he should
or should not enjoy.

It seems to me that human sensitivity to distortion can be very variable.
I seem to be somewhat sensitive. Others are clearly not.

I think that sensitivity can be developed by training but I have come
to the conclsion that I would never take any such training. It could
only lead to less satisfaction with audio kit and never more.

--
John Phillips

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In article ,
John Phillips wrote:
The only time I listened to a (4 W) SET amplifier it was driving a pair
of 'speakers which had a sensitivity of just 84 dB SPL at 1 m for 1 W.
To my ears the system was distorting badly and, as it happened, I was
able to verify that it was indeed clipping (albeit soft clipping).

But the owner would have none of this and described the sound as highly
lifelike. I backed off, of course. Although the system sounded bad to
me, if the owner was enjoying it then who was I to say what he should
or should not enjoy.

It seems to me that human sensitivity to distortion can be very variable.
I seem to be somewhat sensitive. Others are clearly not.

I think that sensitivity can be developed by training but I have come
to the conclsion that I would never take any such training. It could
only lead to less satisfaction with audio kit and never more.

We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion - the
time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds like, that
is. Try playing those back from vinyl...

--
*I started out with nothing... and I still have most of it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
John Phillips wrote:
The only time I listened to a (4 W) SET amplifier it was driving a pair
of 'speakers which had a sensitivity of just 84 dB SPL at 1 m for 1 W.
To my ears the system was distorting badly and, as it happened, I was
able to verify that it was indeed clipping (albeit soft clipping).

But the owner would have none of this and described the sound as highly
lifelike. I backed off, of course. Although the system sounded bad to
me, if the owner was enjoying it then who was I to say what he should
or should not enjoy.

It seems to me that human sensitivity to distortion can be very variable.
I seem to be somewhat sensitive. Others are clearly not.

I think that sensitivity can be developed by training but I have come
to the conclsion that I would never take any such training. It could
only lead to less satisfaction with audio kit and never more.

We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion - the
time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds like, that
is. Try playing those back from vinyl...


What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

**** stir mode off;
--
Tony Sayer

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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:00:04 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
John Phillips wrote:
The only time I listened to a (4 W) SET amplifier it was driving a pair
of 'speakers which had a sensitivity of just 84 dB SPL at 1 m for 1 W.
To my ears the system was distorting badly and, as it happened, I was
able to verify that it was indeed clipping (albeit soft clipping).

But the owner would have none of this and described the sound as highly
lifelike. I backed off, of course. Although the system sounded bad to
me, if the owner was enjoying it then who was I to say what he should
or should not enjoy.

It seems to me that human sensitivity to distortion can be very variable.
I seem to be somewhat sensitive. Others are clearly not.

I think that sensitivity can be developed by training but I have come
to the conclsion that I would never take any such training. It could
only lead to less satisfaction with audio kit and never more.

We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion - the
time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds like, that
is. Try playing those back from vinyl...


What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

You can't hear them at all on DAB, unless you are prepared to hang
around for a minute or two.

d

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Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:00:04 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
John Phillips wrote:
The only time I listened to a (4 W) SET amplifier it was driving a pair
of 'speakers which had a sensitivity of just 84 dB SPL at 1 m for 1 W.
To my ears the system was distorting badly and, as it happened, I was
able to verify that it was indeed clipping (albeit soft clipping).
But the owner would have none of this and described the sound as highly
lifelike. I backed off, of course. Although the system sounded bad to
me, if the owner was enjoying it then who was I to say what he should
or should not enjoy.
It seems to me that human sensitivity to distortion can be very variable.
I seem to be somewhat sensitive. Others are clearly not.
I think that sensitivity can be developed by training but I have come
to the conclsion that I would never take any such training. It could
only lead to less satisfaction with audio kit and never more.
We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion - the
time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds like, that
is. Try playing those back from vinyl...

What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

You can't hear them at all on DAB, unless you are prepared to hang
around for a minute or two.

I can't hear them on vinyl either, unless someone can recommend an LP
with the BBC time signal on it.
I don't think it would be very accurate due to the time delays inherent
in the pressing and distribution system.

--
Eiron.

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:


Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to all the
cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are *excused*
henceforth....


FWIW Keith, I don't know if you regard me as a 'cringing lurker' or
not, but I don't particularly want your opinions "directed" to me, so
count me out. I gave up trying to discuss various things with you
because of the kind of behaviour you have shown in threads like this.
I do sometimes scan your postings but have decided I'd be wasting my
time to respond.


This post is so ridiculous (on a number of levels) I'm suspicious that
it's a forgery..??

(But if it's not, I'd just say keep it simple Jimbo and use your
killfile - no?)

I'll respond just this once to comment as follows:


OK then, it would be churlish not to take this 'possibly last' opportunity
to respond in detail, if we have established that the post was genuinely
yours.


Don't see a reason to killfile you. I don't find what you write
'offensive'
or annoying. Just that my view of much of it is as I previously stated.

I did hesitate to make the comments as I suspected you would simply
instantly reject them (as you seem to have done by labelling them
"ridiculous")


I am surprised you included yourself in the 'cringeing lurker' descriptive
as, since I blew back in here, you have been one of the very few here to
post anything at all - or had you failed to notice mine being the first
response you got to a recent one (after a bit of a delay), which then
bump-started a bit of a thread? Your last post regarding LS cables I left
alone and I see it remains unacknowledged yet, but a cable only has to a)
*reach* and b) not get too hot under the required load to satisfy my
requirements - beyond that I curtail my interest in the subject, as in many
other things!

The next thing I found ridiculous was that you try to chide me for
'behaviour' when all I have done is respond in kind (+) to insults and
slanderous remarks liberally coming my way - check the threads and see who
actually *starts* the ****-slinging! (Hint: He is not of these shores and
his Pooch is not of this planet...;-)

You then went on to say you 'sometimes scan' my posts (like they're hard to
spot in the torrent of extremely interesting traffic in this ng) but that
you would be 'wasting my time to respond' and then went and responded
anyway!! :-)

Finally, your allusion to my 'behaviour in threads like this' is as though I
have ever responded to you in a thread in the same manner - which, unless I
am greatly mistaken, I have *never* done? (Tell me if/when I am wrong about
this!!)

Now, if you feeling 'ridiculous' is not justified or is too sweeping, let's
agree it qualifies as *not your most edifying post of all time* on a number
of counts - no? (And is why I thought it might be a forgery!)



and/or respond in an apparently patronising manner (e.g. the
"Jimbo"). This is part of the pattern of your behaviour that has made me
lose interest in discussing audio with you.


I have said several times here - I pay back in the coin I'm paid in and I
get a lot of *patronising* from a few here but not from you (usually) - my
calling you Jimbo is no more than an affectionate term. I think, James old
bean, if I was going to be patronising to you, I would call you by another
name..!! ;-)



However after some hesitation I decided to make my previous posting
because, yes, I do wish it were otherwise. If occasions arise that make me
think so, I will respond. Similarly, if you ask a question that I might be
able to answer or help with in a way you'd find useful on some audio
point,
I will still be happy to do so. Just that I don't really feel there is any
more point in debating your personal opinions on audio with you.


Thank you for your continued offer of help (which I suspect would never
really have gone away) but I have to be careful what questions I ask here -
bowling underarm questions to spark a bit of activity has led to too many
people queuing to pat my head (you want *patronising*??) for too long now
and I'm not doing it any more.


I am not saying I dislike you or find you nasty, nor that I object to you
expressing your opinions. Not trying to 'win an argument' or call you
names. Just that my view is as I previously stated. You make your choices
and I make mine.

OK, my 2p on this has now run out. I'll let you get back to arguing with
others who are keen to do so... :-)


Is what I do - the bashers almost managed to clear everybody out of here,
but I like to swing in through the window and throw them around the room
from time to time to show 'em they ain't quite home and dry yet....

:-)


Playing now: Semprini Plays Chopin (Studio 2 Stereo TWO274) on my
2A3SET/V15MkIII/Fidelios setup - **stunning, razor sharp, impactful bliss**
:-)

Tip For Life regarding 'surface noise and artefacts when playing vinyl' -
move far enough back not to hear them! Simple! My rig fills the house
(bungalow) with music *two rooms* from where I'm sitting and I don't hear
anything other than the music!

That's it movie time soon!

Frequency response of the ear
 

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion -
the time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds
like, that is. Try playing those back from vinyl...


What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

Rather better than multipath FM...

--
*Eschew obfuscation *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Frequency response of the ear
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Tip For Life regarding 'surface noise and artefacts when playing vinyl'
- move far enough back not to hear them! Simple! My rig fills the house
(bungalow) with music *two rooms* from where I'm sitting and I don't
hear anything other than the music!

Says it all, really. No wonder you find 'full range drivers' acceptable
when that range is restricted to a few thousand hertz.

--
*I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.