In article ,
TonyL wrote:
For recording, strictly for fun with a few friends ATM. We are not
intending any public performances. Recommendations ?

Personally I'd favour a good quality secondhand condenser mic - probably
ex broadcast, etc. Something like a Neumann KM 84, AKG C451, Calrec CM101.
But they might be hard to find. But there are plenty of cheap new Chinese
condensers which will sound far better than an SM58 for this - and cost
about the same. Sadly I'm not well up on those so perhaps someone else
could give a recommendation.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (Nutcase) "

I've ordered a SM 58, will be interesting to compare.

The SM 58 is one of the most over-rated mics ever.


** On the contrary - the Shure SM58's good reputation for live vocal work
is well justified. Since the late 1960s, it has LITERALLY set the standard
for ALL vocal mics in both appearance and sound quality to follow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shure_SM58


Its only virtues are robustness and reasonable noise cancellation.


** You are allowed to have that opinion

- but it is the view of a ****ing idiot.


Certainly not sound quality.


** That so many folk PREFER the results given by the SM58 and many other
mics that are essentialy clones of it, proves there is nothing wrong with
the design.

Cerainly, there are some Shure mic haters out there - just like there are
rabid racists, religious bigots and all kinds of ratbags and mental
defectives who try to foist their mad opionion on others.

Dave Plowman is a first class example of the above.



...... Phil

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Personally I'd favour a good quality secondhand condenser mic -
probably ex broadcast, etc. Something like a Neumann KM 84, AKG C451,
Calrec CM101. But they might be hard to find. But there are plenty of
cheap new Chinese condensers which will sound far better than an SM58
for this - and cost about the same. Sadly I'm not well up on those so
perhaps someone else could give a recommendation.


K, thanks.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:42:51 +0100, "TonyL"
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Personally I'd favour a good quality secondhand condenser mic -
probably ex broadcast, etc. Something like a Neumann KM 84, AKG C451,
Calrec CM101. But they might be hard to find. But there are plenty of
cheap new Chinese condensers which will sound far better than an SM58
for this - and cost about the same. Sadly I'm not well up on those so
perhaps someone else could give a recommendation.


K, thanks.


If you are recording, you definitely do not want a mic designed for
vocals - they all have a peculiar frequency response. Can you give us
a clue as to budget? That'll make a short list a whole heap easier.

d

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
The SM 58 is one of the most over-rated mics ever.


** On the contrary - the Shure SM58's good reputation for live vocal
work is well justified. Since the late 1960s, it has LITERALLY set the
standard for ALL vocal mics in both appearance and sound quality to
follow.

It set a fashion with those who knew no better - purely because it was
quite good as a 'live' vocal mic feeding a PA etc system. Seeing it on TV
etc gave the idea to amateurs that it was therefore a good general purpose
mic - which it's not. FFS - I've even seen it being used for interviews in
a quiet location. So it's not just amateurs that get fooled so easily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shure_SM58


Its only virtues are robustness and reasonable noise cancellation.


** You are allowed to have that opinion

- but it is the view of a ****ing idiot.

All you're proving is you've never tried comparing it to a decent mic. The
only time you'll see it used in a recording studio is for possibly a snare
drum where the weird frequency response and high SPL handling can enhance
that sound. And the OP wants a mic for *recording* vocals and acoustic
guitar.


Certainly not sound quality.


** That so many folk PREFER the results given by the SM58 and many
other mics that are essentialy clones of it, proves there is nothing
wrong with the design.

Weird people prefer all sorts of sounds - as you've proved. But as a
general purpose recording mic I can barely think of a worse one.

Cerainly, there are some Shure mic haters out there - just like there
are rabid racists, religious bigots and all kinds of ratbags and mental
defectives who try to foist their mad opionion on others.

Dave Plowman is a first class example of the above.

What microphones do you own or have experience of? Have you *ever* been in
a recording studio etc and observed what is used where?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman ( Nutcase ) "


I've ordered a SM 58, will be interesting to compare.

The SM 58 is one of the most over-rated mics ever.


** On the contrary - the Shure SM58's good reputation for live vocal work
is well justified. Since the late 1960s, it has LITERALLY set the standard
for ALL vocal mics in both appearance and sound quality to follow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shure_SM58


Its only virtues are robustness and reasonable noise cancellation.


** You are allowed to have that opinion

- but it is the view of a ****ing idiot.


Certainly not sound quality.


** That so many folk PREFER the results given by the SM58 and many other
mics that are essentialy clones of it, proves there is nothing wrong with
the design.

Cerainly, there are some Shure mic haters out there - just like there are
rabid racists, religious bigots and all kinds of ratbags and mental
defectives who try to foist their mad opionions on others.

Dave Plowman is a first class example of the above.

His kind of congenital autism disorder is rampat in the UK

That is what the whole country is totally and permaneantly ****ed and every
one of its residents hated world wide.




...... Phil

Don Pearce wrote:

If you are recording, you definitely do not want a mic designed for
vocals - they all have a peculiar frequency response. Can you give us
a clue as to budget? That'll make a short list a whole heap easier.


Definitely sub £100.

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
The SM 58 is one of the most over-rated mics ever.


** On the contrary - the Shure SM58's good reputation for live vocal
work is well justified. Since the late 1960s, it has LITERALLY set the
standard for ALL vocal mics in both appearance and sound quality to
follow.

You're a prat. You'll never see one used for vocals in a recording studio.
Live sound has different priorities - actual quality often coming well
down the list. So add that to all the other things you don't know.

--
*If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:39:43 +0100, "TonyL"
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

If you are recording, you definitely do not want a mic designed for
vocals - they all have a peculiar frequency response. Can you give us
a clue as to budget? That'll make a short list a whole heap easier.


Definitely sub £100.



OK. Behringer is a good manufacturer for everything. I would go for a
pair of C-1 mics. They are decent cardioids, and Dolphin Music are
doing them at £28.95. They are condensors, so they need phantom power.
If you don't have that available, get yourself a small mixer. The
Behringer UB802 with four mic inputs will set you back about £45. That
is the basis of some really very high quality recording capability for
£100.

That do?

d

"Dave Plowman ( Nutcase ) "

I've ordered a SM 58, will be interesting to compare.

The SM 58 is one of the most over-rated mics ever.


** On the contrary - the Shure SM58's good reputation for live vocal work
is well justified. Since the late 1960s, it has LITERALLY set the standard
for ALL vocal mics in both appearance and sound quality to follow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shure_SM58


Its only virtues are robustness and reasonable noise cancellation.


** You are allowed to have that opinion

- but it is the view of a 100% ****ing idiot.


Certainly not sound quality.


** That so many folk PREFER the results given by the SM58 and many other
mics that are essentially clones of it, proves there is nothing wrong with
the design.

Certainly, there are some Shure mic haters out there - just like there
are
rabid racists, religious bigots and all kinds of ratbags and mental
defectives who try to foist their mad opinions on others.

Dave Plowman is a first class example of the above.

His kind of congenital autism disorder is rampant in the UK

That is what the whole country is totally and permanently ****ed and every
one of its residents hated world wide.



...... Phil