On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:29:04 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
In NO WAY SHAPE or FORM is the NT-1 a vocal mic
!!!!

Pray tell what determines a vocal mic, oh potty mouthed
one?

Vocal mics are usually fairly narrow cardioids, supercardioids or
hypercardiods, balanced for close working and have a built-in pop filter.


Not vocal "studio" mics, which are what this thread is about. For
stage work, of course you are dead right.

I've used one of my NT-1as for a vocal mic with an external pop filter and
appropriate filtering. Because I had to add so much stuff to make it
effective, I would not call it a vocal mic. I would call it an all-purpose
mic.


Again, not in a studio. If the voice is good, this will capture it.
Obviously with any recording you will use eq to get the exact tone you
want, but starting from an inherently flat mic gives you a much better
route to that spot than starting from a hugely peaky stage vocal mic
(which has characteristics remarkably similar to those needed for a
railway station PA).

I have also used another general-purpose mic, a MXL 603s as a vocal mic with
an extenal pop filter. The external pop filter was not effective enough at
avoiding contamination of the diaphragm, and after a few years of regular
service it developed a number of problems that my attempt to simply clean
the built-up gunk off the diaphragm did not fully alleviate.


If the vocalist doesn't get too close (which he shouldn't in a studio
setup), then gunk won't be a problem.

d

Glenn - maybe you haven't been around here long enough to have met
Phil. He delights in disagreeing with almost everything and becomes
abusive when challenged.

You'll see from his response to this which one of us has credibility.

A little Googling (eg. the manufacturer's web site) will show how
often the NT-1 is recommended for recording vocals.

It isn't a hand-held mic for live work. But that isn't what you were
asking for. See the thread title :-)



** I am particularly familiar with that mic and know
personally the folk who make it - ie the Freedmans
of Sydney, Australia.

The Freedmans made their name as the importers of
"Dynacord" valve PA gear into this country in the 1960s.

A name that will live on in infamy ...

Peter Freedman (son of Henry) is the proprietor of " Rode " mics
- a silly German sounding name he made up to HIDE the
Chinese origin of the mic capsules and other parts that
are used to make the thing.

In NO WAY SHAPE or FORM is the NT-1 a vocal mic !!!!

Using it for that purpose will very soon RUIN it !!

BTW:

The Rode NT-1 has a nick - which is suggestive of a rat.




..... Phil

"Laurence Payne"

Glenn - maybe you haven't been around here long enough to have met
Phil. He delights in disagreeing with almost everything and becomes
abusive when challenged.

You'll see from his response to this which one of us has credibility.

A little Googling (eg. the manufacturer's web site) will show how
often the NT-1 is recommended for recording vocals.


** See below where I point out the " maker " is someone who has not got a
clue about microphones.

So you and he have a lot in common.


....... Phil


** I am particularly familiar with that mic and know
personally the folk who make it - ie the Freedmans
of Sydney, Australia.

The Freedmans made their name as the importers of
"Dynacord" valve PA gear into this country in the 1960s.

A name that will live on in infamy ...

Peter Freedman (son of Henry) is the proprietor of " Rode " mics
- a silly German sounding name he made up to HIDE the
Chinese origin of the mic capsules and other parts that
are used to make the thing.

In NO WAY SHAPE or FORM is the NT-1 a vocal mic !!!!

Using it for that purpose will very soon RUIN it !!

BTW:

The Rode NT-1 has a nick - which is suggestive of a rat.



..... Phil

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:27:10 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Laurence Payne in the Arse "


I find the Rode NT-1 a useful workhorse.
http://www.dv247.com/invt/10229/


** I am particularly familiar with that mic and know
personally the folk who make it - ie the Freedmans
of Sydney, Australia.

The Freedmans made their name as the importers of
"Dynacord" valve PA gear into this country in the 1960s.

A name that will live on in infamy ...

Peter Freedman (son of Henry) is the proprietor of " Rode " mics
- a silly German sounding name he made up to HIDE the
Chinese origin of the mic capsules and other parts that
are used to make the thing.

In NO WAY SHAPE or FORM is the NT-1 a vocal mic !!!!

Using it for that purpose will very soon RUIN it !!

BTW:

The Rode NT-1 has a nick - which is suggestive of a rat.




..... Phil




The capsule of the NT1-A (unlike that of the NT1) is entirely
Australian made. As for vocals - well you would not use it for stage
work with your mouth buried in it, but from six inches away behind a
pop shield (as you would use it in a studio), it is an exceedingly
good vocal mic.

How the company started out is a matter of neither interest nor
importance. What matters is right now they are manufacturing the state
of the art.

d

"Don Pearce Congenital LIAR"

The capsule of the NT1-A (unlike that of the NT1) is entirely
Australian made.


** Oh really ??????

And you know that how ?????


As for vocals - well you would not use it for stage
work with your mouth buried in it, but from six inches away behind a
pop shield (as you would use it in a studio), it is an exceedingly
good vocal mic.


** So it is a fragile, studio condenser mic - with all that implies.

And all if it unknown to the OP.


** I am particularly familiar with that mic and know
personally the folk who make it - ie the Freedmans
of Sydney, Australia.

How the company started out is a matter of neither interest nor
importance.


** That is a WRONG opinion you get to keep.


What matters is right now they are manufacturing the state
of the art.


** Yawnnnnnnnnn...

There is lot more "fart" than "art" in any Rode mic.



..... Phil

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:00:37 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Don Pearce Congenital LIAR"

The capsule of the NT1-A (unlike that of the NT1) is entirely
Australian made.


** Oh really ??????

And you know that how ?????


I've been told by a source I believe rather more than I do you.


As for vocals - well you would not use it for stage
work with your mouth buried in it, but from six inches away behind a
pop shield (as you would use it in a studio), it is an exceedingly
good vocal mic.


** So it is a fragile, studio condenser mic - with all that implies.


That's right. What do you imagine vocalists use in studios? Have you
ever been in a studio? Have you even seen a picture? Vocalists use
(99% of the time) a large diaphragm condensor coupled with a pop
filter.


** I am particularly familiar with that mic and know
personally the folk who make it - ie the Freedmans
of Sydney, Australia.

How the company started out is a matter of neither interest nor
importance.


** That is a WRONG opinion you get to keep.

Thank you for your kind permission.

d

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
** So it is a fragile, studio condenser mic - with all that implies.

All that implies is you take reasonable care with it. Like you should do
with any precision equipment.

--
*Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article 4a6dda65.53789203@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
The capsule of the NT1-A (unlike that of the NT1) is entirely
Australian made. As for vocals - well you would not use it for stage
work with your mouth buried in it, but from six inches away behind a
pop shield (as you would use it in a studio), it is an exceedingly
good vocal mic.

Indeed. Our Phil seems to think mics are only used on gigs.

--
*One of us is thinking about sex... OK, it's me.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (Nutcase)"


** This RETARDED POMMY ****

is only making himself look MORE and MORE and MORE

****ING IDIOTIC !!!!!!!




...... Phil

"Don Pearce" wrote


The capsule of the NT1-A (unlike that of the NT1) is entirely
Australian made.


I wonder...???

When I was investigating cheap mics a year or two ago a lot of roads seem to
lead back to an anonymous-looking outfit in China with a name or initials
beginning with 'Y' - I think, can't be sure now. (Note obvious pun
avoided....;-)


OK, I Googled and got lucky - I think it's ShuaiYin:

http://www.shuaiy.com/


If you can't get anywhere with that (I gave up), there's a couple of
references he

http://homerecording.about.com/od/mi...100_Review.htm

http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/CAD/Trion-6000