"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
No, you poke both wires into the same terminal hole.

Not legal in the US but you do find were some Bozo does it, after the
inspection.

How are sockets connected on a radial circuit? Separate terminals for in
and out?


Yes. How else would they do it, if you can't use two wires under one
screw?

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/b9/b947022d-7720-42fd-97e2-af3be83c2250_400.jpg


The green screw on the lower left is for the 'Ground' connection. The
silver colored screws on the left side are 'Neutral', and the brass
colored screws on the right side are 'Line'.

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Ron wrote:

On 04/02/2012 01:11, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Andy Champ wrote:

On 01/02/2012 14:10, JW wrote:
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:40:58 +0000 Mike
wrote in Message :

In whill.co.uk, Dave
writes


Just counted up how many double 13A sockets we've just put into the
refurbished *half* of this place: 38. That makes for one helluva fuse
board if each was a radial...

Seen American consumer units? Huge, ugly things, bit like the Americans
themselves :-)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ricalPanel.jpg

Yeah, but we're smart enough to not put them in our living room.

Seen in a hotel room in Scotland:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l1...erWardrobe.jpg


That would fail inspection in the US, because the wiring trough at
the top is missing its cover.


It all looks a bit new, maybe the installation isn't finished yet?


How was he able to take the picture, if the building wasn't open to
the public?


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On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:12:02 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:42:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

No, you poke both wires into the same terminal hole.


Not legal in the US but you do find were some Bozo does it, after the
inspection.

Er - how do you do that in the US? You don't have ring mains, so you
don't have two wires.


Do you ever think, before posting? Someone adds another circuit, and
is too cheap to buy another breaker. Or the box is full, and they won't
upgrade.

That is adding a second circuit to a breaker - nothing to do with
putting the two ends of a single ring main into the same breaker
terminal. Obviously it would be illegal, but it isn't what we were
talking about.

So yes, I do think before posting. I thought you were stating that
putting two wire ends into one terminal was illegal. It isn't. Try
being a little clearer next time, will you?

d

In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Do you ever think, before posting? Someone adds another circuit, and
is too cheap to buy another breaker. Or the box is full, and they won't
upgrade.

What is wrong with having two circuits on the one breaker - provided the
breaker is correctly sized for the cable? In practice it's no different
from daisy chaining sockets.

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In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
How are sockets connected on a radial circuit? Separate terminals for in
and out?


Yes. How else would they do it, if you can't use two wires under one
screw?

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/b9/b947022d-7720-42fd-97e2-af3be83c2250_400.jpg

Looks like the sort of thing you'd see in the UK from before WW2. From the
cheapest of makers.


The green screw on the lower left is for the 'Ground' connection. The
silver colored screws on the left side are 'Neutral', and the brass
colored screws on the right side are 'Line'.

I wouldn't have believed that sort of screw connection was still in use.
It's a dreadful way of making a connection. Unless you first crimp on a
suitable terminal.

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In article ,
says...

Dave Liquorice wrote:


(*) As in bread, not sure what a "toaster oven" is.


A small, counter top electric oven that runs on a 20A 120V circuit.
They are quite common to cook small meals, or for additional capacity
for a large meal where you need multiple temperatures.

Sounds similar to what we call a 'Baby Belling':

http://www.belling.co.uk/baby-belling

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On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:56:00 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
How are sockets connected on a radial circuit? Separate terminals for in
and out?


Yes. How else would they do it, if you can't use two wires under one
screw?

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/b9/b947022d-7720-42fd-97e2-af3be83c2250_400.jpg

Looks like the sort of thing you'd see in the UK from before WW2. From the
cheapest of makers.


The green screw on the lower left is for the 'Ground' connection. The
silver colored screws on the left side are 'Neutral', and the brass
colored screws on the right side are 'Line'.

I wouldn't have believed that sort of screw connection was still in use.
It's a dreadful way of making a connection. Unless you first crimp on a
suitable terminal.

Jesus, those terminals are a fire waiting to happen. They don't grip
wires - all that happens when you tighten them is that the wire gets
spewed out the sides. If you are lucky a tiny bit of it may still be
under the screw head.

d

Don Pearce wrote:

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:12:02 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:42:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

No, you poke both wires into the same terminal hole.


Not legal in the US but you do find were some Bozo does it, after the
inspection.

Er - how do you do that in the US? You don't have ring mains, so you
don't have two wires.


Do you ever think, before posting? Someone adds another circuit, and
is too cheap to buy another breaker. Or the box is full, and they won't
upgrade.

That is adding a second circuit to a breaker - nothing to do with
putting the two ends of a single ring main into the same breaker
terminal. Obviously it would be illegal, but it isn't what we were
talking about.

So yes, I do think before posting. I thought you were stating that
putting two wire ends into one terminal was illegal. It isn't. Try
being a little clearer next time, will you?


Maybe not where you are, but it illegal in the US as I've explained in
another post.


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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Do you ever think, before posting? Someone adds another circuit, and
is too cheap to buy another breaker. Or the box is full, and they won't
upgrade.

What is wrong with having two circuits on the one breaker - provided the
breaker is correctly sized for the cable? In practice it's no different
from daisy chaining sockets.


That's your opinion, but the US NEC and insurance companies forbid
it. Two wires under one screw reduce the pressure by half if they are
in parallel. If the cross, they will deform and break.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
How are sockets connected on a radial circuit? Separate terminals for in
and out?

Yes. How else would they do it, if you can't use two wires under one
screw?

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/b9/b947022d-7720-42fd-97e2-af3be83c2250_400.jpg

Looks like the sort of thing you'd see in the UK from before WW2. From the
cheapest of makers.

The green screw on the lower left is for the 'Ground' connection. The
silver colored screws on the left side are 'Neutral', and the brass
colored screws on the right side are 'Line'.

I wouldn't have believed that sort of screw connection was still in use.
It's a dreadful way of making a connection. Unless you first crimp on a
suitable terminal.


Then it's a damn good thing you don't do electrical work in the US,
isn't it? What you can't see is that there are grooved slots in the
terminal that grip the wire, when the screw is tightened. 'Crimps' are
illegal, without certified tools with current inspection tags & proper
training. They are used in the few places with aluminum wire, to crip a
copper pigtail onto the aluminum wire, and every part of the process is
tightly controlled. Either hire the right work, or rewire the building
with copper.


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