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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:29:27 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:00:27 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:50:21 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:59:53 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

They tell me to trust my ears - but *only* my ears.

If audio is, ostensibly, for listening to music then why do you need to
trust anything but your ears?

Some people appear to have a need to *know* what's connected, before
they have an opinion on its sound quality..............

So you don't belong to the 'if it sounds right, then it is right' school
then?

Sure I do. Can't you *read*?
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Ronnie McKinley wrote:

In uk.rec.audio "Trevor Wilson" wrote:


When the TT was released, it did not cause a sensation.
Of course it did!! .... especially when it was recalled.

That was the recall to add the spoiler to the rear end so that

drivers on the autobahn could tell which end was which.
I suppose the early TTs did emulate the 911 in the stability dept.


"In design one must have a revolution from time to time"
Peter Schreyer


Yep! We are definitely in TT territory.

Perhaps we can finally drop the "o" and call this uk.rec.audi :-)

Roger

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"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in
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In uk.rec.audio "Trevor Wilson" wrote:

When the TT was released, it did not cause a sensation.



Of course it did!! .... especially when it was recalled.


... you just don't appreciate the Bauhaus style, Trevor :)

**I *like* the new Beetle.

Same design school.


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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:14:30 +0100, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote:

In uk.rec.audio "Trevor Wilson" wrote:


When the TT was released, it did not cause a sensation.
Of course it did!! .... especially when it was recalled.

That was the recall to add the spoiler to the rear end so that
drivers on the autobahn could tell which end was which.
I suppose the early TTs did emulate the 911 in the stability dept.

Nah, VAG just ran scared of being sued by incompetent drivers. The
early ones were beautiful to drive, and IMO looked a lot better
without the spoiler. If you back off in a high-speed corner, you
*should* spin a well-balanced car.....................
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In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
If you back off in a high-speed corner, you
*should* spin a well-balanced car.....................

Not so - that's a function of poor weight distribution and or poor
suspension design. The natural reaction for any body is to continue in a
straight line.

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:16:54 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

Nah, VAG just ran scared of being sued by incompetent drivers. The
early ones were beautiful to drive, and IMO looked a lot better
without the spoiler. If you back off in a high-speed corner, you
*should* spin a well-balanced car.....................
--

Depends on the power train layout. For RWD, I expect understeer with
power off, and oversteer (the spin-out condition in the limit) with
power on. Neutrality should come with some intermediate throttle
setting.

For FWD, the opposite is normally true, with terminal understeer
induced by too much power.

With 4WD as on my S4, I expect the traction control to provide
something like neutrality over a fairly wide power band, but I do want
to be ably to induce oversteer when I need it - I never, ever want
understeer.

d

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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:16:43 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:29:27 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:00:27 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:50:21 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:59:53 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

They tell me to trust my ears - but *only* my ears.

If audio is, ostensibly, for listening to music then why do you need
to
trust anything but your ears?

Some people appear to have a need to *know* what's connected, before
they have an opinion on its sound quality..............

So you don't belong to the 'if it sounds right, then it is right' school
then?

Sure I do. Can't you *read*?

Your web page? Yes I can. It sounds like a list of big dick waving gear,
hence why I thought you were referring to yourself. Apparently it seems
important that your gear has a niche branding.

Notice Kurt's quick change of topic once he got batted down the zillionth
time for his "you guys don't listen" posturing.

Once a troll, always a troll...

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:11:08 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
If you back off in a high-speed corner, you
*should* spin a well-balanced car.....................

Not so - that's a function of poor weight distribution and or poor
suspension design. The natural reaction for any body is to continue in a
straight line.

You don't understand the dynamics of cornering.
--

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:54:20 +0100, Don Pearce
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:16:54 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

Nah, VAG just ran scared of being sued by incompetent drivers. The
early ones were beautiful to drive, and IMO looked a lot better
without the spoiler. If you back off in a high-speed corner, you
*should* spin a well-balanced car.....................
--
Depends on the power train layout. For RWD, I expect understeer with
power off, and oversteer (the spin-out condition in the limit) with
power on. Neutrality should come with some intermediate throttle
setting.

Nice wish list, but as I noted, if you *back off* a well-balanced car
in mid-corner, you transfer weight from rear to front, increasing
front grip and reducing rear grip. Unless you do something dramatic
really quickly, you spin. Racing cars, being very finely balanced for
ultimate grip and cornering speed, will certainly spin if so abused.

For FWD, the opposite is normally true, with terminal understeer
induced by too much power.

And by noseheavy mass distribution. The FWD BTCC cars are really
cunningly designed to be neutral under power.

With 4WD as on my S4, I expect the traction control to provide
something like neutrality over a fairly wide power band, but I do want
to be ably to induce oversteer when I need it - I never, ever want
understeer.

Well hard luck, because with a noseheavy road car like the S4 (and my
A6), you *inevitably* get lots of understeer on the limit. The
electronics do cheat a lot, but ultimately you canna' change the laws
o' physics, Cap'n...............
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:04:14 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

Well hard luck, because with a noseheavy road car like the S4 (and my
A6), you *inevitably* get lots of understeer on the limit. The
electronics do cheat a lot, but ultimately you canna' change the laws
o' physics, Cap'n...............
--
But it is still chuckable - and of course there is the handbrake.

d

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