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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:15:25 -0700, "jim"
wrote:

You have my respect for your obvious grasp of matters electronic. Don't
start on cars though.

Why not?

I have been in the motor trade for over 25 years
including 6 years in prod sport racing with Elans and Elites.

Yes. So what? My wife and I have owned 30 cars in 32 years, most of
them being reasonably interesting to drive (although no Lotuses or
TVRs - SWMBO likes to be sure that she'll arrive where she's going).

Down here, in the trade, TT = VW Golf in a pretty (???) body. Part numbers
tie up pretty well, as they do with the new Beetle. Don't tell a TT owner
he's driving a Beetle/Golf though. They get a bit upset !!!

I like to think of it as a Skoda with attitude, although my wife likes
to think of it as a sensible Lambo!

Besides, if you were a racer, you should be aware that different
suspension pickup points (and springs and dampers), and a
significantly lower c of g make a heck of a difference to the feel of
a car. I've never driven a Golf (including the R32) that comes even
close to the road feel of a TT. Quite apart from the dramatic styling
and 'carved from solid' interior.

Amazing what the sales and marketing department can make out of what comes
out of the Skoda/
VW/Audi factories ... ssssshhhh ..... keep it to yourself !!!

Why? The massive engineering and styling clout of VAG is pretty common
knowledge, and nobody's bitching about the quality or character of the
new Lamborghini or Bentley models, now are they? Heck, Jeremy even
likes the Phaeton! :-)

E type ? Yes, had two of them. Mk1 3.8 and a 4.2 FHC. The 3.8 was
better,

A classic snob comment from a sales guy with an eye on collector
value, but not matched by reality - the mk1 4.2 was a *vast*
improvement on the original crash-box flat floor 3.8. I owned a 4.2,
my uncle had a 3.8, and he always preferred mine.

but neither matched up to the fun value of an Austin Healey 3000
Mk3, a Dodge Challenger, or the ultimate fun wagon, the 2.6 ltr Alfa Romeo
GTV. Not talking about 100yd sprints up the road here. Like, long term
ownership.

Fun? A lorry-engined big Healey *fun*? Wait 'til you've ripped off
the exhaust on a mildly hump-backed bridge, matey! And as for the
brakeless and ill-handling Kowalskimobile.............

I had the newer 2.5 Alfetta GTV (IIRC, the '60s straight-six 2.6
wasn't a GTV), and it spent altogether too much time in the workshop -
no fun at all. OTOH, I'd agree that a wire-wheeled mkIII big Healey
was one of the *prettiest* sports cars ever made.

I try to keep my mouth shut unless I know what I'm talking about.

Oh, really? :-)
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Perhaps it's time for one or two of us to let it ride and see what
this group really adds up to, if left to its own devices.......

Hi Keith -
Well, I'm getting to know the nice guys on the group and for their sake we
should probably persist. Well, maybe. You do get wound up unless you're up to
speed on you Inner Calm. Cheers, Andy

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
And you're very much in danger of becoming one. Perhaps you need a valve
only group where your 'views' wouldn't be challenged?

Hello Dave - yes, I've thought of exactly what you said. I think it's sad
to
split a newsgroup up simply because it's impossible to find a middle way.
I
don't think it's me that has polarised things - after all I use a solid
state
MC preamp and prefer using CDs to vinyl. So I'm not in any particular
camp, and
I actually hang out on AA for the solid state tweaks and information on
latest
circuits and devices. My primary, but not only, interest is in valve
circuits
and what has happened on this newsgroup - and no other - is that an
interest in
valves has been met with consistent patronising rubbish and an attempt to
sabotage almost every post. We know for a fact that this newsgroup is sick
and
going through a particularly bad period because of consistent trolls. I'm
open
to ideas - what would you suggest? Cheers, Andy


Andy,
I only scout the newsgroups to pick up anything of interest. I'm Garrard
401, M75ED, Walmart CD/tape, homebrew 6SL/SN7/6L6GC and silly wardrobe size
disco speakers. Dave, Arny, Pinko will tell me this is all crap. On a scope,
I can actually measure how crap it all is !!! So, I'm actually listening
to pleasureable distortion. Possibly 10% of what I am listening to is
manufactured or distorted by the sound system I use. Sounds nice, though
................
I cannot argue with silicon people because unfortunately they are RIGHT !!!
There are no technical standpoints on which you can get up on a chair and
shout --valves are better !!
Silicon is best .. accept it ... but like you, I will carry on listening to
what I've got until they invent something better
regards
jim

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In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
If we're talking 'likes' then I'm afraid it will be (and has been) for
an awfully long time time a GT40.

Hope you're little, then.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
jim wrote:
I only scout the newsgroups to pick up anything of interest. I'm
Garrard 401, M75ED, Walmart CD/tape, homebrew 6SL/SN7/6L6GC and silly
wardrobe size disco speakers. Dave, Arny, Pinko will tell me this is all
crap. On a scope, I can actually measure how crap it all is !!! So,
I'm actually listening to pleasureable distortion. Possibly 10% of what
I am listening to is manufactured or distorted by the sound system I
use. Sounds nice, though ...............

I cannot argue with silicon people because unfortunately they are RIGHT
!!! There are no technical standpoints on which you can get up on a
chair and shout --valves are better !! Silicon is best .. accept it ...
but like you, I will carry on listening to what I've got until they
invent something better regards

I, for one, wouldn't dream of telling you your system is crap. Others may
go by brands, but I prefer to hear things before judging. And if you say
you like the sound of what you have that's all that matters.

But if you'd said - with the usual flowery language - just how much
better your valves and vinyl sounded to any digital, that would be
different and invites argument.

It tends to be the same here all the time - the flames start when people
make outrageous statements about long obsolete technology - especially
when they weren't around at the time it was current and remember its flaws.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
**My dog, is the only creature I use my authority over. I stated facts.
Care
to comment on my facts?

See my other posts, Trevor. I over-reacted because of being wound up by
the
Kruegerton virus. Just a case of a bad cold. fortunately it passes. I
don't
think we're in much disagreement - it's just that the atmosphere in this
ng is
putrid because of its constant pests. Cheers, Andy

**Then take the approach I (try to) do. Address the arguments and not the
person making them. Insulting your opponent merely makes it look you cannot
provide a credible argument.

If your opponent scores a point (like I have), then admit your error and get
on with your life. In the end, you appear like a better human being for it.


--
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www.rageaudio.com.au

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In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
In article , Arny Krueger
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message



May be important to ensure the resistors are 'non inductive'. Are they
wire-wound? If so, they should ideally be non-inductive sic
windings. Otherwise there is a risk of unintended inductive effects
upon the hf.

At 0.47 ohms one doesn't find a lot of inductance in resistors. Ever
took one apart?

Erm, yes. In fact I have taken apart various resistors when working on pre
amps to be cooled down to a few Kelvins. :-) Some were wire-wound, some
not.

Not a lot of turns.

Well, IIRC my experience here was that some have upwards of a few tens of
turns and can have a diameter large enough to give a measureable
inductance. However it was 20 odd years ago that I did this, so things may
have changed. Given how easy it is to spec 'non-inductive' winding it seems
a sensible precaution to me, though.

FWIW for trasks like audio power output emitters I used to prefer the flat
flim resistors on ceramic plates as they had low inductance, high power
dissipation, and fractured like fuses if over driven in power amps. Not
seen these in many years, though.

Slainte,

Jim


The 2512 (1Watt) surface mount low-value film resistors are great for
this application. Very low inductance.

The leaded film-on-ceramic power resistors are still around, but they're
not cheap.
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:15:06 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in
message ...
In uk.rec.audio (Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

My wife and I have owned 30 cars in 32 years,

Best "we" can do is 21 :)

most of them being reasonably interesting to drive

Name them, chronologically ... big dick!! ;)

Marge, Elsie, The Beast, Fred, Vera, (which were an Austin Cambridge
Estate, a Triumph Spitfire, a Reliant Scimitar 3-litre Coupe, a Lancia
Fulvia Coupe and an E-type Jag). After that we kinda stopped using
names (except for The Condom - DUR 44X, a mkII Golf GTI), and since we
both have personalised plates these days (V6 ASP and L17DY P), the
habit would be hard to resurrect................

Oh, FFS! Right let's knock this into touch before it gets silly.

Too late! :-)

Put 'em away quick lads (and zip 'em up tight) - I've bought more than 90
cars (inc 2 Land Rovers), at least 2 pickup trucks, 1 Suzuki Rascal van, 3
tractors and over 30 motorcycles in that period for myself (ie out of my own
pocket), not to mention over a dozen lorries, Christ knows how many cars
(inc Audi, Merc and BMW), 2 (or 3) forklift trucks, 1 Case and 1 Bobcat
loaders for *my own* firms (out of the Bank's pocket, needless to say.....
:-)!

I guess you win the 'direct experience' title! Ah, I forget to mention
the half-dozen or so bikes, although SWMBO won't let me have another
one, just because I bought the last one on a Tuesday and totalled it
on Thursday.......................

At one time my spreadsheets (getting on for 20 years ago - 'Multiplan' or
summat?) told me I had over £10K's worth of tyres on the road at any one
time and my drivers spent £27 a month on 'Dandidash' (cab cleaner in
aerosols).....

OK? That do you? Can I get back to ukrav now and keep an eye on these
'bashers' that are slinking in and trying to make nicey nice like 'ooh, I've
got a turntable too, you know'.......

Still trying to stir up trouble, Keith?
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:55:29 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:09:40 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:52:27 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:04:06 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

If you'd been skilled as well as careful, you'd have been designing
and building solid-state amplifiers! :-)

Instead of working in, say, a bank?

Probably, but since I've never worked in a bank, I wouldn't know.....

Okay, a bank's datacentre then!

Wrong again, it's called an OMC..........

But then I guess you're used to being wrong!
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:19:53 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
If we're talking 'likes' then I'm afraid it will be (and has been) for
an awfully long time time a GT40.

Hope you're little, then.

Just order the 'Gurney bump'.
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