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"Andy Evans" wrote in message

In 50 years we have gone from state-of-the-art valve amps
that sound like "a straight wire with gain"
and don't have any "valve sound"
to today's abominations that are deliberately non-linear.

Which abominations are these - sorry, didn't follow the reference?

Zero loop feedback low-powered SETs.

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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message


Not all SS amps are plain crook, but enough are to give SS a bad name.

I liked you better Pat when you admitted that you abandoned making SS amps
because the competition was to hot and you couldn't make any money at it.

One guy wanted to trade in his SS preamp full of oppamps for the tube
pre I had made after he had a listen.

Either the SS preamp was substandard trash, or he was being set up to take
an expensive fall.

I gently refused, because how would I sell this horror after folks
auditioned the tube pre?

....especially with you setting up the audition!

He'd spent $3,000 on SS pre amd power amps, but after a year he could
stand it no longer, and went to all tubes, how's that for 22 yr old ears?

In many cases its all about preconditioning the listener.

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"Nick Gorham" wrote


In his real world, what he says is true (I assume), I don't live in his
world view, thats his not mine, but I don't in any way object to him
having that view.


Nor do I, what I object to is the way he objects to me having my mine....

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Keith G wrote:


resent valvies telling us that SS
amps produce 'cold, harsh' sound, when what is *really* happening is
that good SS amps reproduce their inputs faithfully, while valve amps
do not, but *add* artifacts which some people prefer.

Hence the kind of comments which you quite rightly ascribe to us
above. In the real world, there *is* no audible distortion in good
modern amps (SS or valve), they *are* to all intents perfect, and
here's the clincher, they *do* all sound the same.


Fair point, and taken.


I don't believe the comments repeated above are in fact 'fair points' is
because AFAIAC they are only one (loopy) person's opinions and prejudices
and, as such, do nothing to encourage exploration in all things of an audio
nature. Worse, they are trying to affect some form of control over
proceeedings here. I don't give a little f*ck on a stick who
likes/uses/dislikes/doesn't use valves, I do give ALFOAS about people having
the chance to make up their own minds on the subject without being
continually battered about the head by a few self-appointed
experts/moderators in this group....


I said it was a fair point (of view), and I took note of the fact that
SP had that opinion. I never said I agreed with his point. That wasn't
what I was trying to say at all, of course I don't myself agree, but
that doesn't stop him from being able to express his point. I would much
sooner encourage discussion in those terms than other than this thread
have produced.

In his real world, what he says is true (I assume), I don't live in his
world view, thats his not mine, but I don't in any way object to him
having that view.

--
Nick

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Jim Lesurf wrote:


Well, my personal view is that if we *can* identify 'alterations' that aid
perception then be can then exploit them without having to rely upon an
amplifier to do so on an almost 'accidental' basis as a byproduct of some
unspecifiable process.

Slainte,

Jim


Snipped a lot of good stuff...

Yes, thats very much my position, if we could

1. Accept that something is happening that causes what people report as
a better experience when using certain amps

2. Identify just what the difference is that causes that altered experence

3. Prove that the difference can be seen to have that effect when
applied, and not when removed

Then we would have advanced quite a way. However I do think that to
assume (which I am not suggesting you are Jim) that this is necessarly a
thing that can be applied to a particular type of amp to produce the
desired effect is maybe false.

It could be something that

1. Valve amps do, that we can measure

2. Value amps do, that we don't yet know how to measure

3. SS amps don't do, and if we could measure it we could design SS amps
to do it

4. Valve amps that don't do and its the absense of the something that
causes the effect

5. SS amps do, and if we cound measure it we could detect it.

And other combinations that I haven't bothered to note. The point I am
making is that it may not be so simple as a "effect block" that could be
added to any "transparent" amplifier.

--
Nick

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In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
There is something real here, but it's pointless discussing it with
deliberate unbelievers.

I wonder how many of you nutters are also devoutly religious?

Heh heh. Many of them seem to be trying to conduct some form of crusade,
and judging by some of the outbursts, would show no mercy to any prisoners.

And of course there are many similarities. Disregarding any 'proof' to the
contrary and accepting hearsay as the truth.

--
*Arkansas State Motto: Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Laugh.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
No, the perception of white is a trick based on the fact that our eyes
only see in three primary spectral bands.

Not all people perceive colour the same way, either.

Absolutely

Take a narrow spectrum light source - something like an old sodium street
light. Now give someone the RGB gain controls of a CRT and ask them to
match its colour as best they can.

No two people will agree...

--
*Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Keith G wrote:

Valve amps are back

So are ponchos.

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Nick Gorham wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:


Well, my personal view is that if we *can* identify 'alterations' that
aid
perception then be can then exploit them without having to rely upon an
amplifier to do so on an almost 'accidental' basis as a byproduct of some
unspecifiable process.
Slainte,

Jim


Snipped a lot of good stuff...

Yes, thats very much my position, if we could

1. Accept that something is happening that causes what people report as
a better experience when using certain amps

Accepted

2. Identify just what the difference is that causes that altered experence

Euphonic distortion.

3. Prove that the difference can be seen to have that effect when
applied, and not when removed

Been there, done that.

It could be something that

1. Valve amps do, that we can measure

Known effect.

2. Value amps do, that we don't yet know how to measure

Unlikely.

3. SS amps don't do, and if we could measure it we could design SS amps
to do it

Why would you want to? use tone controls.

4. Valve amps that don't do and its the absense of the something that
causes the effect

well distortion can be either addition or absence of a signal...

5. SS amps do, and if we cound measure it we could detect it.

Unlikely.

The point I am
making is that it may not be so simple as a "effect block" that could be
added to any "transparent" amplifier.

Why would adding an 'effect block' not allow an otherwise transparent
system to reproduce the effect?

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Nick Gorham" wrote


Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

we

???

Continues to represent a body of opinion? Seeking 'safety in numbers'.
Lonely? Has friends after all?


Feck me! Missed the obvious - 'multiple personalites'...!!!


'personalites'....???

As in Desmond Dekker...??? :-)

(It's just keeps getting worse!!! :-)

YHFL...!!!

:-))