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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
Go for a decent SS amp? ;-)

After all you know about me? The words of a certain tennis player come to
mind........


And the hand gesture of a certain motorcycle champion??? :-)

(Or show jumper Harvey Smith? ;-)

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond
 

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
Problem is, I am not sure just where to go next :-(

I think the only useful place to go next is to build better valve amps,
and
carry on refining the sound. Arguing endlessly about "this" versus "that"
can
waste good soldering time. However, shared experiences, tips and tweaks
would
be a really good way to use this newsgroup. It's interesting to hear about
how
Chinese amps shape up.


Just a quickie to say the Chinese amps I've got are shaping up rather well.
They sound very nice indeed, go very loud whilst staying crystal clear (even
on the DM2As), are solidly well built and a real pleasure to use.

Might need to be remembered that these, at least, were designed in Germany
and built in China, rather like NAD et at.... ;-)

Not that I'm saying the Chinese can't design also.....

(I bought two because Chinese amps are like Chinese carryout - you have one,
you want another one a couple of hours later....!!!)

:-)

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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:35:49 +0000, Kurt Hamster wrote:

snip

Sorry to break this to you Pinky, but in the real world not many give a
flying ****, all they want is to listen to music that is pleasing to the
ear.

AT LAST!!!! Someone talks sense! :-)

There *is* a place for perfectly flat, non-distorting wires with gain.
They are desperately needed for instrumentation purposes. I, personally,
am still unconvinced that they are needed for listening to music though! ;-)

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:55:20 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:01:51 +1100, Tat Chan used
to say...

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:


Ah, so you didn't read my CV?

not unless one had a news server that accepted binary attachments

I spent the early part of the '80s
working mostly in Arizona with Hughes Aircraft,

wouldn't you have required a security clearance for that, or at the very least
be an American citizen?

BAE systems over here requires its staff to be citizens.

Ah but Pinky's reputation being what it is who could resist his obvious
talents!

While that is of course true, it didn't apply in this
situation.............. :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:58:32 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:31:07 +0000, Paul Dormer used
to say...

Just dropping in...


"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

My father left me a pair of damascus-barelled Purdeys, but I've always
preferred H&H. Such is life.

Would these be your preferred choice of firearm for crusing round
Manchester with? ;-)

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...mindspring.com


Hilarious!!

I have friends all over Manchester, including in areas which obviously
have you scared ****less.. not a one feels the need to be 'armed'..
what a big girls blouse!!

;-)


Hehe my claim to fame was dealing with one of the victims of the first
shootings in Moss Side circa '85.

It's rather awe-inspiring being in the middle of a race riot whilst
trying to bandage an abdominal bullet wound whilst sat in the back of a
Nissan that is perched on the edge of a raised garden :)

OK, kudos for that, no conditions applied. Balls of steel stipulated.
Sometimes, you just have to shut down your brain and do the frikkin'
job you were trained for...........................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:35:49 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:47:43 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:08:58 +0000, Paul Dormer
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

The fact is Pinkieton has an axe to grind with people who appreciate
valve amps, such that he needs to repeatedly point out the "obvious
failings" of the technology, whilst at the same time he indulges
himself with cupboards brimming with watches with "obvious failings"

And as noted, I'm happy to acknowledge those obvious failings, and
even to discuss how they may be minimised (the new Daniels co-axial
escapement, for example). *That* is the difference.

You don't get it do you? You say you don't have prejudice against
valve users, but there's that blatant snideyness.

I said no such thing. I certainly have prejudice against clowns like
Evans and Garratt, who have no idea what they're talking about, and
don't want to learn.

Excuse me but since when was it a condition of entry here that one MUST
learn something, or is that something you thought up all on your own?

Oh no, but they seem happy to insist that everyone else take their
word on trust. Ain't gonna happen.

The choice of words
eg. "obvious failings" and "obsolete technology" gives the game away.

Yeah, it's called reality, Dormouse.

The reality is, Pinky, that people like things you don't like and have
opinions you don't like.

Yes, and I have no problem with that.

Learn to live with it and don't feel you have
to go on a crusade to try to make people like what you like, think like
you think and want what you want.

I don't, but valvies have this desperate need to claim bull**** stuff
like 'extra detail', which just doesn't wash in the real world.

*I* wouldn't say a precision engineered mechanical watch has "obvious
failings", nor would I repeatedly hammer the point home to mechanical
watch owners - except to make a point.

In that case, you're an idiot - but we already knew that. No
watchmaker would argue the point, he would simply agree that they
aren't as accurate as a good quartz watch, and point out that
timekeeping isn't why people buy mechanical watches.

No, it's because a few seconds out here an there doesn't really matter,
likewise it doesn't really matter if hifi doesn't produce audio with
accuracy to the nth degree.

Ah, but then it is not, *by definition*, 'hi-fi'.

Compare and contrast with valvies, who are petrified to agree that
their preference is inferior in absolute terms.

It isn't inferior though is it? They like it, the rest doesn't matter. A
SS amplifier that is 110% accurate is inferior to them if they don't
like to listen to it. You can't seem to get that round your thick head.

What part of 'absolute terms' did you fail to understand? BTW, please
avoid Chav football-speak crap like '110 per cent accurate'. We want
100%, no more, no less.

These watch makers have hardly
*failed* in their endeavors to make *satisfying* products.

Indeed so - but they would never argue that time is more 'realistic'
when you wear a mechanical watch. You just don't understand what's
happening in the world, do you Dormouse?

It appears that neither do you. You seem to insist on accuracy that the
majority of people neither want or are interested in. You seem to think
that just because it's important to you then it should be that way to
everyone.

You seem to think that not caring about accuracy is important. So, why
is valve inaccuracy 'better'?

Sorry to break this to you Pinky, but in the real world not many give a
flying ****, all they want is to listen to music that is pleasing to the
ear.

Me too, but that comes from the performance, not the hi-fi.........
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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There *is* a place for perfectly flat, non-distorting wires with gain.
They are desperately needed for instrumentation purposes. I, personally,
am still unconvinced that they are needed for listening to music though!

Why has nobody stated this already!

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:23:02 GMT, Trevor Wilson used
to say...


"Keith G" wrote in message
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**Hmmm. OK. I'll let it drop.


You will? That's a relief!! :-)

**For me too. Your writing is appallingly bad. It would take all day to
dissect just one post.

Well it is a UK group and as English obviously isn't your first
language...

**Nor does it seem to be Keith's, for that matter.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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"mick" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:07:05 +0000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

snip

**It's not that difficult. Here's how you do it:

1) Find an amplifier which has exemplary specifications (posted earlier
by
me).
2) Compare the above-mentioned amplifier in a double blind test. 3) If
you
can hear a difference, one amplifier is distorting.


Nope, that won't work. You would be comparing 2 amplifiers, either or both
of which may be producing non-realistic (I won't say "distorted"
because that may be wrong in this context) sound.

**Not so. For an amplifier to meet ALL my suggested parameters (not as easy
as you might imagine, BTW), it will be audibly flawless. Therefore, if
another amplifier sounds different, it is distorting.

The test isn't that
easy. If you are looking for "fidelity" rather than "measures perfectly"
then you need to compare a live performance with each amplifier and that
is *very* difficult to set up as a double blind test. If you don't do this
then you are merely comparing two different types of distortion. ;-)

**Read my list of suggested parameters. If you have any to add, please feel
free to do so.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:47:43 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:08:58 +0000, Paul Dormer
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" emitted :

The fact is Pinkieton has an axe to grind with people who appreciate
valve amps, such that he needs to repeatedly point out the "obvious
failings" of the technology, whilst at the same time he indulges
himself with cupboards brimming with watches with "obvious failings"

And as noted, I'm happy to acknowledge those obvious failings, and
even to discuss how they may be minimised (the new Daniels co-axial
escapement, for example). *That* is the difference.

You don't get it do you? You say you don't have prejudice against
valve users, but there's that blatant snideyness.

I said no such thing. I certainly have prejudice against clowns like
Evans and Garratt, who have no idea what they're talking about, and
don't want to learn.

Excuse me but since when was it a condition of entry here that one MUST
learn something, or is that something you thought up all on your own?


The funny thing is I did, in fact, sign up here a few years back to learn
and pay my way with inputting anything I could help with. Despite a very
short career as an 'audio hobbyist' I have bought and turned over an
enormous amount of (modest) kit and made my own comparisons and discoveries.

All I learned from the tit you are corresponding with is that the more 'you
think you know' the less people want to hear it. (Cassandra Syndrome.)

Yer mate wants to learn a little bit about People Management and look up
'alienation' as a start point. Might get away with his gob in some nerdy
Print Room (in fact I doubt that,even that as I type, which is why I reckon
we get it in here....), my guess is that his arse would be damn soon
scudding across the tarmac if he tried it in the real world....


Compare and contrast with valvies, who are petrified to agree that
their preference is inferior in absolute terms.


For gawd's sake give him some basic psychology lessons - 'petrified'? Says
so much about *his* psychosis, doesn't it? I think deep down he knows that
valves **** on ss gear generally and he is in fact terrified to admit it to
himself! (If I thought it was the other way round I'd just wire up one of my
ss amps! ;-)


rest snipped

(Classic exercise in futility, someone trying to reason with a loony.......
:-)