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Keith G November 17th 04 03:00 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Tat Chan" wrote


None of my EE friends learnt about valves in uni ... it was all BJTs,
JFETs and MOSFETs ...

welcome to the 21st century.

(so I guess the only people who will end up with practical, working
knowledge about valves will be people who service valve guitar amps ...)




Wakey wakey Mr Chan.

Go to:

http://www.worldtubeaudio.com/directory/directory.htm


Click around a bit and get with the programme..






Keith G November 17th 04 03:09 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote



How do you get to do this DBT then? Go into a shop with your amp and ask
if you can borrow the (entire) dem room for an hour or two?? Do you take
your own music or use theirs??

Priceless!! :-)


**Er, or you could just borrow the damned amp. Don't they do that in
Pommyland? Dealers will readily loan out equipment, if their clients ask
nicely. I certainly do and I know of several dealers who do likewise. It
seems you guys put up with a lot of **** from your dealers. When you walk
in, gently remind then that YOU have the cash and they want that cash.
Works wonders for snooty salepeople.



That's the trouble with foreigners in this group - no idea at all....


**A difference. *ANY* difference.



That's a bit daft innit?


**NO. It is a perfectly reasonable description of distortion.

Your own amp might be better than the 'perfect' amp
that some real-obliging shop is letting you use (without buying)??


**It may well be. In that case, you'll hear no difference.



Stupefying...


OK, first thing you've said that makes any sense. Guess what? I don't
have any problems with *any* of my amps!! :-)


**Good for you. I recall that is what Henry Ford said about his Model T.
That attitude cost Ford US (and world) dominance in automobile production
to GM.



Erm, I'm not too bothered about world dominance in automobile
production.....




**Like I said: "I figured you made it up."



Like I said: It's remarks like that that shoot your credibilty fill of holes
on one of two levels - it's either so childish future discussion is rendered
inappropriate, or just so damn *wrong* that your own belief in that
statement renders everything else you say to be highly suspect (posh words
for '********'). I saw some very similar remark at one point, probably
before PP was binned, or when I fished him out the other day and hosed him
off. Who cares?


Take special note of the 'Who cares?' bit - I'm looking at the 'so childish
future discussion is rendered inappropriate' bit, myself.

(It's up to you, I don't give a ********.....???)





Keith G November 17th 04 03:14 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Tat Chan" wrote


- it "sounds" like a valve amp?



Tim De P's wife told me that he had (then, a couple of years ago) recently
finalised an ss design to sound 'indistinguishable' from his valve amps for
musicians (specifically female) who wanted the *sound* (note...) of valves
without the associated 'dangers' (heat and voltages.....




Keith G November 17th 04 04:05 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Kurt Hamster" wrote



How would you know? You're Australian.

**I realise that this may be a bit of a shock, but every Australian
schoolkid learns English grammar. I was an Australian schoolkid.
Therefore,
I learned English grammar. I was also taught the English spelling of most
words. You know the stuff: Theatre, Metre, gaol, et al.


Australian English perhaps, certainly not UK English.


**It's very bloody close. Trust me.



'Ello, 'e's from Calcutta!!

(Goodness, gracious me...!! :-)



I understand Keith's writing style perfectly. Perhaps that because I'm
resident in this country and understand colloquialisms etc. Likewise I'm
sure that there would be a few things spoken in inner city Sydney that I
wouldn't have the first idea about.


**Very likely the case. I'm not speaking about colloquialisms. Read one of
his replies. Grammatically, they stink.



:-)



As to how I know that Keith's posts are an appalling indictment of the
British education system, I simply invite you to read a typical response,
from him, to one of my posts. If you REALLY cannot find fault, then YOU
have
serious problems with the use and abuse of the English language.


I can understand him, it's as simple as that.



:-)



**No, it is not as simple as that. I'll brief you with the recent past,
then you may understand where I am coming from.

* I made (one of my many) grammatical errors in one of my posts.
* Keith took it upon himself to criticise my incorrect use of grammar
(Clearly, Keith understood my words, in spite of my incorrect use of
English).
* I then suggested that Keith's grammar (not his use of colloquialisms)
was not of the highest standards.



OK, less do you a little favour here, before you dig yourself in too deep. I
went to a 400 year old Grammar School, one of 3 founded in 1558 by a geezer
name of The Rev. Thos. Alleyne (Google 'Alleyne's Grammar School') - as I
said earlier, that's 230 years *older* than 'Australia' and in the Tudor
Period in this country's history. For my sins, I 'did' Latin for three years
(loved it), German for one year and managed to absorb virtually no French in
all the time I was there. (Like, who could donnez une merde...???)

Trust that one did not get into this Academy of Excellence (mostly
digression, rugby, singing and playing grab-arse mostly....) with the
currently acceptable handful of cereal packet tokens - in those days an 11+
pass merely got you an interview with the headmaster. My headmaster was a
WW2 war hero (DSO) SOE Commander by the name of Francis Cammaerts (Google) -
one of the finest men I have ever had the pleasure to know. Could stop a
runaway locomotive with a raised eyebrow - know what I mean? (No, I suppose
you don't....))

Famous Alleynians (Stevenage branch)? - David Tomlinson, Actor (Mary
Poppins?), Tim De Paravacini (or his brother) Audio Designer and
Manufacturer, one of Jomo Kenyatta's 80 or so (I believe) kids and me....
;-)

Anyway, believe me when I say the art of *successful* communication is to
use a style that allows those, to whom you are attempting to communicate,
(like that?) enjoy that which you have to impart. If this can include some
wit, some Anglo-Saxon (that words like '****', in case you are struggling)
some irony, some humour etc. it makes what you say more interesting to one's
(like that also?) readers. Grammar doesn't come into it, it's a set of rules
to be kept or broken according the said style one is affecting.

Now, I have to say it, your ultra correct, trying too hard 'prickspeak' just
makes you look like a pathetic **** trying desperately hard to impress. Take
a tip from me, cut the crap, lighten up and stop trying to pull people up
who have **** more fekkin' grammar than you'll ever know and making yourself
look a right **** in the process whilst so doing. OK?

(Next, we'll have that little plonker Molton pointing out the 'less' error
at the beginning of that statement....!!! :-)


Given that you have stated
that you have difficulties understanding what is basically standard
English dialect, and yours is the first comment I've seen complaining of
comprehension difficulties then my I suggest that a UK newsgroup may not
be an appropriate place for you.



Good point, well made....



**You may suggest that. That is your right to do so. When I have professed
my non-understanding of particular words or phrases, I ask. Usually, the
answer is short and polite. In any case, Keith chose some obscure, dead
language to make a point, the other day.



I did? (Summat in Latin then, woz it?)


Hardly common words in the UK, I should think.



Er, I got news for you mister - Latin is used throughout this sceptic isle
on a daily basis, even if those doing so are blissfully unaware of it....


Common, for those who went to schools which teach (taught) those same dead
(and useless) languages, however.



Dead and useless??? Hmm...

Anyway, I gotta go now - tempus fugit....

;-)







Keith G November 17th 04 04:10 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 

"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**I realise that this may be a bit of a shock, but every Australian
schoolkid learns English grammar. I was an Australian schoolkid.
Therefore, I learned English grammar. I was also taught the English
spelling of most words. You know the stuff: Theatre, Metre, gaol, et al.

As to how I know that Keith's posts are an appalling indictment of the
British education system, I simply invite you to read a typical response,
from him, to one of my posts. If you REALLY cannot find fault, then YOU
have serious problems with the use and abuse of the English language.



See other post for detailed description of my 'credentials' and explanation
why I can type ******** here *deliberately* while, when you do so, it's
involuntary and, to a great extent, unavoidable...

Actually, if you want an example of impeccable English in this group, look
to the musings of one Mr Krueger - pity it's usually wasted on such bitter
calumny.....




Tat Chan November 17th 04 05:42 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale DiamondII's
 
Kurt Hamster wrote:

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:23:18 +1100, Tat Chan used
to say...


Kurt Hamster wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:35:28 +0000, Ian Molton used
to say...


Don't like to be ignored in your pursuit of the role of Pinky glove
puppet eh?



would you have posted that remark if Ian was a so-called "glove puppet"
for the valvies instead?



If I know Keith then yes probably. Desperate wannabees seem to bring out
the worst in both of us,


out of curiosity let me see if I have got this right ...

you said if you knew Keith then you would have said that Ian was a glove
puppet if Ian posted pro-valve views (or echoed Keith's views).

However, since you said that Ian is trying to be Pinky's glove puppet
then does that imply you know SP?


Tat Chan November 17th 04 05:44 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale DiamondII's
 
Keith G wrote:

"Tat Chan" wrote



None of my EE friends learnt about valves in uni ... it was all BJTs,
JFETs and MOSFETs ...

welcome to the 21st century.

(so I guess the only people who will end up with practical, working
knowledge about valves will be people who service valve guitar amps ...)





Wakey wakey Mr Chan.

Go to:

http://www.worldtubeaudio.com/directory/directory.htm


Click around a bit and get with the programme..


so, yes, there are people other than guitar techs who know about valve amps.

Let me shift the goalposts a bit ... ;)

Are there any universities that still teach valve (or tube) technology
as a *core* part of an EE degree?

Tat Chan November 17th 04 05:44 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale DiamondII's
 
Keith G wrote:

"Tat Chan" wrote



- it "sounds" like a valve amp?




Tim De P's wife told me that he had (then, a couple of years ago) recently
finalised an ss design to sound 'indistinguishable' from his valve amps for
musicians (specifically female) who wanted the *sound* (note...) of valves
without the associated 'dangers' (heat and voltages.....




See my other post about the Marshall Valvestate SS guitar amps.

Nick Gorham November 17th 04 06:25 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale DiamondII's
 
Tat Chan wrote:


so, yes, there are people other than guitar techs who know about valve
amps.

Let me shift the goalposts a bit ... ;)

Are there any universities that still teach valve (or tube) technology
as a *core* part of an EE degree?


I don't think so, you point being ?

--
Nick

Stewart Pinkerton November 17th 04 06:50 AM

Valve amp (preferably DIY) to drive apair of Wharfedale Diamond II's
 
On 16 Nov 2004 23:43:41 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

There *is* a place for perfectly flat, non-distorting wires with gain.
They are desperately needed for instrumentation purposes. I, personally,
am still unconvinced that they are needed for listening to music though!

Why has nobody stated this already!


Probably because we all agree that a perfect 'straight wire with gain'
is *not* needed for listening to music. It is however useful if you're
into *high fidelity* music reproduction.........

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering


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