Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
JustMe wrote:
It appears to me that NY is comparing previous analogue records to the
new vinyl versions and not the new vinyl versions to the analogue
master copy

That's how it read to me. He says that, of the options available before
the new release, vinyl was his medium of preference and that the new
release on vinyl is even better than the original.

Of course it could be he just prefers the sound of his voice as recorded
with added distortion as from an LP. Plenty of musicians prefer the sound
of their voice on dreadful PA mics rather than studio quality ones.



........ then in mastering they process the sound just like the dreadful ones
again..read artistic license ;-)




However, that's got nowt to do with the price of fish.

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Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
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The blurb on the back of the Decade CD says
"The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog
equipment. We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the
sound of the original recording. Because of its high resolution,
however, the Compact Disc can reveal limitations of the source tape."

That normally means you can hear the tape hiss.

Roy.

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

Rob wrote:

Call it bluesy, folksy, country and rock (not for nothing is he
known as the Godfather of Grunge), but definitely not pop crap.

One of the best around - live and recorded. I think SP might be
referring to one particular album - I personally don't think it was
overproduced, but the vocal went through one of those voice synth
things (really to highlight the problems for those without speech).

The album was Trans

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

Rob wrote:
Tat Chan wrote:

Excuse me? "Neil Young == overproduced pop crap"???

His music is anything but pop crap.

Call it bluesy, folksy, country and rock (not for nothing is he known
as the Godfather of Grunge), but definitely not pop crap.


One of the best around - live and recorded. I think SP might be
referring to one particular album - I personally don't think it was
overproduced, but the vocal went through one of those voice synth things
(really to highlight the problems for those without speech).

Ah, the "Transformer" album.


How anyone could consider After the Goldrush 'pop crap' or
'overproduced' defeats me (or any track from Decade for that matter).


I have Decade on CD, and it sounds "warm and fuzzy", very "analogue
like". There was no mention of digital remastering for the CD (perhaps
they did a straight transfer from an n-th generation copy, maybe even
from vinyl?)

The blurb on the back of the Decade CD says
"The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog
equipment. We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the
sound of the original recording. Because of its high resolution,
however, the Compact Disc can reveal limitations of the source tape."

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

"Roy" roy wrote in message ...

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
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The blurb on the back of the Decade CD says
"The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog
equipment. We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the
sound of the original recording. Because of its high resolution,
however, the Compact Disc can reveal limitations of the source tape."

That normally means you can hear the tape hiss.


;-)

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

"Roy" roy wrote in message ...

"JustMe" wrote in message
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I think everyone here would agree that the concept behind
"Straight-line"
is
to deliver the music as the artist intended, unsullied and uncoloured -
an
accurate reflection of the artist's work.

No, there are plenty here who are more impressed by a warm coloured sound
than "unsullied and uncoloured" reproduction.

That's not what I said. I referred to people's perception of the philosphy
behind "striaght-line", not what sound most impresses people.


Just reading an interview with Neil Young (HiFi Choice, January 2005),
in
which he states,

"The analogue records always sounded better than anything else to me.
But
I
compared the new vinyl versions, which are taken from a first generation
analogue master copy, and the best just got better. It's a really good
feeling."

To be fair and put this in context, he also speaks well of DVD-Audio,
but
it's clear that NY is one artist who sees vinyl as the source which is
closest to a "true replica".

I don't see where it says NY "sees vinyl as the source which is closest to
a
true replica". It just says he prefers the sound.

Further quotes from the article:

"A long-time fan of analogue and a trenchant critic of CD sound, Young
reckons he has finally found a modern digital format to meet his exacting
standards" [2 channel DVD-Audio]. "There's just no comparicson between
DVD-Audio and a regular compact disc or even 5.1 multichannel sound. It's
the difference between a true reflection of the music and a mere replica."

He then goes on to say, "The analogue records always sounded better than
anything else to me" etc.

I read that as saying that he is not happy with CD, that of the digital
formats he feels DVD-Audio is a "true reflection of the music", and that
vinyl sounds best of all the formats.

Roy.

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

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"Roy" roy wrote in message ...

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
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The blurb on the back of the Decade CD says
"The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog
equipment. We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the
sound of the original recording. Because of its high resolution,
however, the Compact Disc can reveal limitations of the source tape."

That normally means you can hear the tape hiss.


;-)

The article is referring to his "Greatest Hits", released yesterday (22nd),
apparently on a choice of CD, vinyl and DVD-Audio.

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 03:33:21 -0000, "JustMe" wrote:

Further quotes from the article:

"A long-time fan of analogue and a trenchant critic of CD sound, Young
reckons he has finally found a modern digital format to meet his exacting
standards" [2 channel DVD-Audio]. "There's just no comparicson between
DVD-Audio and a regular compact disc or even 5.1 multichannel sound. It's
the difference between a true reflection of the music and a mere replica."

He then goes on to say, "The analogue records always sounded better than
anything else to me" etc.

I read that as saying that he is not happy with CD, that of the digital
formats he feels DVD-Audio is a "true reflection of the music", and that
vinyl sounds best of all the formats.

I read that as total bull****, since DVD-A is audibly indistiguishable
from the master tape - as is well-made CD for the most part. Vinyl
OTOH sounds massively different. NY might be able to sing a bit, but
his audio opinions suck bigtime. If he prefers the sound of vinyl,
then that simply means that he likes his recordings EQ'd a certain
way. If he didn't have this bull**** prejudice against CD, he'd simply
express a preference for different EQ to warm up his recordings a bit,
add a touch more reverb etc etc. It ain't rocket science!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:43:18 -0000, "JustMe" wrote:

I think everyone here would agree that the concept behind "Straight-line"
is
to deliver the music as the artist intended, unsullied and uncoloured -
an
accurate reflection of the artist's work.

Just reading an interview with Neil Young (HiFi Choice, January 2005), in
which he states,

"The analogue records always sounded better than anything else to me. But
I
compared the new vinyl versions, which are taken from a first generation
analogue master copy, and the best just got better. It's a really good
feeling."

To be fair and put this in context, he also speaks well of DVD-Audio, but
it's clear that NY is one artist who sees vinyl as the source which is
closest to a "true replica".

Yup, and he is *one* recording artist out of thousands. Furthermore,
his stuff is heavily EQ'd and overproduced pop crap, so who knows what
it's supposed to sound like? Finally, if he also likes DVD-A, which
sounds *nothing* like vinyl, what does that tell you? Now, try to find
*one* jazz or classical artist who wants his pure and natural master
tape sound mangled by vinyl.

Sure he's *one* recording artist. That does not invalidate his opinion in
any way.

However, the lack of any other reputable recording artist with the
same opinion, certainly does. Further, since DVD-A sounds *nothing*
like vinyl, to claim to like both is the most cynical bull****ting
I've seen in quite a while.

You do youself a disservice with this reply, coming across like an old fart
who simply dislikes "pop" music

Well, given the vast amopunt of crap that's on the market today, that
might be a fair assessment.

and who dismisses the entire - and often
highly creative - production process when it doesn't suit his own agenda.

I have no 'agenda' other than preferring that what goes into my
speakers is as close as possible to what came off the mixdown master.
You come across as a young fart who doesn't understand what happens
*before* the master is made.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Neil Young prefers vinyl
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:43:18 -0000, "JustMe" wrote:

I think everyone here would agree that the concept behind
"Straight-line"
is
to deliver the music as the artist intended, unsullied and
uncoloured -
an
accurate reflection of the artist's work.

Just reading an interview with Neil Young (HiFi Choice, January 2005),
in
which he states,

"The analogue records always sounded better than anything else to me.
But
I
compared the new vinyl versions, which are taken from a first
generation
analogue master copy, and the best just got better. It's a really good
feeling."

To be fair and put this in context, he also speaks well of DVD-Audio,
but
it's clear that NY is one artist who sees vinyl as the source which is
closest to a "true replica".

Yup, and he is *one* recording artist out of thousands. Furthermore,
his stuff is heavily EQ'd and overproduced pop crap, so who knows what
it's supposed to sound like? Finally, if he also likes DVD-A, which
sounds *nothing* like vinyl, what does that tell you? Now, try to find
*one* jazz or classical artist who wants his pure and natural master
tape sound mangled by vinyl.

Sure he's *one* recording artist. That does not invalidate his opinion in
any way.

However, the lack of any other reputable recording artist with the
same opinion, certainly does. Further, since DVD-A sounds *nothing*
like vinyl, to claim to like both is the most cynical bull****ting
I've seen in quite a while.

You do youself a disservice with this reply, coming across like an old
fart
who simply dislikes "pop" music

Well, given the vast amopunt of crap that's on the market today, that
might be a fair assessment.

Maybe you could better express this so that it doesn't sound like you're
responses (e.g. quote below) on other issues are prejudiced by your dislike
for certain music?

and who dismisses the entire - and often
highly creative - production process when it doesn't suit his own agenda.

I have no 'agenda' other than preferring that what goes into my
speakers is as close as possible to what came off the mixdown master.

"His stuff is heavily EQ'd and overproduced pop crap, so who knows what it's
supposed to sound like?"

Is any work carried out beyond that which is captured from a live microphone
irrelevant to what the artist would consider is a "completed" piece?

You come across as a young fart who doesn't understand what happens
*before* the master is made.

If artists' desire their finished product includes post-production work,
then what's the problem?

Maybe I don't understand your POV here.

What music do you listen to? Only it sounds like you dislike any form of
recording and production, beyond the capturing of live sound via microphone.

If that's an incorrect conclusion, then please can you clarify your
preference - or lack of it?