Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

Tat Chan wrote:


OT: Saw PJ Harvey last night, man she rocked and her band was good! On
stage was pretty much the holy trinity of guitar valve amps ...

Marshall
Orange
Vox


Never much went for Orange (ok I am not a bass player), from that
period, I would have replaced the Orange with a Fender Twin for my
personal top three, though you still (IMHO) can't beat the Les Paul /
Mesa Boogie sound either.

--
Nick

Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


They all have CD-A's and players, and just one had a valve amp -
but he explained he was a guitarist, and it was for his guitar. For
his audio system he uses SS equipment.


Did you ask him why he had a valve amp for his guitar instead of ss?

He said he liked the sound it gave, but again, I didn't really ask
beyond that.



Wouldn't be much point - says it all really, doesn't it? ;-)


It may do. I assumed it meant that he wanted the valve amp to
create a given sound from his guitar, but was happy with SS
amps in his audio system - presumably to allow a re-creation
of similar effects once recorded. i.e. different types of
amp for different purposes. However I didn't really check
this with him...

Slainte,

Jim

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Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


They all have CD-A's and players, and just one had a valve amp -
but he explained he was a guitarist, and it was for his guitar. For
his audio system he uses SS equipment.


Did you ask him why he had a valve amp for his guitar instead of ss?

He said he liked the sound it gave, but again, I didn't really ask
beyond that.



Wouldn't be much point - says it all really, doesn't it? ;-)


It may do. I assumed it meant that he wanted the valve amp to
create a given sound from his guitar, but was happy with SS
amps in his audio system - presumably to allow a re-creation
of similar effects once recorded. i.e. different types of
amp for different purposes. However I didn't really check
this with him...



Well, there you go - I use valve amps (and a variety of different valves) to
create 'given (preferred) sounds' from my kit from different sources. I
don't create the music per se, so I have to go with what I've got. I don't
go with the 'it may be ****e but at least it's 'flat'...' line of reasoning,
as I have said before - I'm an 'end user' not a designer. I'm only
interested in what I like the sound of and how I personally perceive that
sound to be delivered. 'Accuracy' to me is much more to do with the
invocation of emotions and *precise* mental images than 'desirable figures'
on a graph.

Now tell me if that's an 'inapproprate' view in this 'general audio'
group.... :-)

Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


Wouldn't be much point - says it all really, doesn't it? ;-)


It may do. I assumed it meant that he wanted the valve amp to create a
given sound from his guitar, but was happy with SS amps in his audio
system - presumably to allow a re-creation of similar effects once
recorded. i.e. different types of amp for different purposes. However
I didn't really check this with him...



Well, there you go - I use valve amps (and a variety of different
valves) to create 'given (preferred) sounds' from my kit from different
sources. I don't create the music per se, so I have to go with what
I've got. I don't go with the 'it may be ****e but at least it's
'flat'...' line of reasoning, as I have said before - I'm an 'end user'
not a designer. I'm only interested in what I like the sound of and how
I personally perceive that sound to be delivered. 'Accuracy' to me is
much more to do with the invocation of emotions and *precise* mental
images than 'desirable figures' on a graph.

Now tell me if that's an 'inapproprate' view in this 'general audio'
group.... :-)

Nope. It may be 'appropriate' for you, even if it is not for someone else.

I was just commenting that - IIUC - the views of the student in question
may be slightly different to those you express. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Phillips wrote:
I see the source is the same for your CD and vinyl.

This is most unlikely. The treatment applied between the master tape and
LP or CD will be different. So a direct comparison of commercial
products is fairly pointless.

Fairly pointless in the technical sense I agree but still interesting
to me, nevertheless.

For example I keep asking myself why on the digital master CD (and,
it seems the digital master LP too) Gould's humming seems not to be in
the normal soundstage while on the CD from the analogue master it is.

Perhaps the 1981 A/D converter's low-level channel matching (amplitude
and/or phase) was poor? After all for a digital recording this was
pretty early. The tape master seems to get this right and the humming
comes from the normal soundstage.

--
John Phillips

Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

In article sj4qd.369029$%k.133110@pd7tw2no, Spiderant wrote:

Please understand that I am not a digitalphobe. As I said before, I have
about 1200 CDs versus about 50 records (I gave away most of my vinyl years
ago). I woudn't even ponder buying a Robert Simpson symphony on vinyl over
CD. Even if I had a prediliction against digital, this would not account
for my sense that the digital record sounded clearer than the digital CD,
even though the CD was recorded at a higher volume and didn't have the noise
floor. This does not make sense to me.

That sounds like the LP/CD balance in my collection. I own a Thorens +
SME + AKG vinyl source but it's been on semi-permanent loan to a friend
for some years and I suspect I will never now demand it back. I was never
comfortable with the rituals of LP replay - I could never really relax
waiting for the end of a side and the need to attend promptly to the kit.

However, I also have been known to admit a liking for the sound of 1960s
analogue opera recordings on recently-remastered CDs (even some good
late 1950s recordings too).

... What do I do now, spend a huge chunk of my
income looking for a better CD player?

Only last year I replaced a 1984-ish vintage Philips CD303 CD player as
part of a complete upgrade (and that CD player was the youngest element
of the system). My emphasis (not to be taken to exclude others' views)
has long been on enjoying the music rather than looking for the latest
upgrade.

--
John Phillips

Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

John Phillips wrote:

Only last year I replaced a 1984-ish vintage Philips CD303 CD player as
part of a complete upgrade (and that CD player was the youngest element
of the system). My emphasis (not to be taken to exclude others' views)
has long been on enjoying the music rather than looking for the latest
upgrade.

Did you do a DBT between 1984 and 2003 CD players to see just how far
technology has advanced?

--
Eiron.

Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


Now tell me if that's an 'inapproprate' view in this 'general audio'
group.... :-)

Nope. It may be 'appropriate' for you, even if it is not for someone else.



Oh good, because I'm becoming a wee bit concerned that, despite a perfectly
good rec.audio.tech newsgroup, this group is being pounded into the ground
by a few 'techie types' who (it seems to me) are bleaching out all the
interest and general involvement here - banging on about dubious 'technical
truisms' which may (or may not) have any bearing on a particular
individual's appreciation of the sound he perceives from his own audio gear
and the enjoyment he gets from it....


(Bit like their own preferred choice of kit, if you stop to think about it -
'sand amps'..... ;-)

Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Oh good, because I'm becoming a wee bit concerned that, despite a
perfectly good rec.audio.tech newsgroup, this group is being pounded
into the ground by a few 'techie types' who (it seems to me) are
bleaching out all the interest and general involvement here - banging
on about dubious 'technical truisms' which may (or may not) have any
bearing on a particular individual's appreciation of the sound he
perceives from his own audio gear and the enjoyment he gets from it....

Then you'd stop posting about your crappy valves and vinyl, and start
discussing the best possible audio reproduction...

--
*Real men don't waste their hormones growing hair

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Digital Bach sounds better on Vinyl than CD?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Oh good, because I'm becoming a wee bit concerned that, despite a
perfectly good rec.audio.tech newsgroup, this group is being pounded
into the ground by a few 'techie types' who (it seems to me) are
bleaching out all the interest and general involvement here - banging
on about dubious 'technical truisms' which may (or may not) have any
bearing on a particular individual's appreciation of the sound he
perceives from his own audio gear and the enjoyment he gets from it....

Then you'd stop posting about your crappy valves and vinyl, and start
discussing the best possible audio reproduction...

The best possible audio reproduction is whatever *I* prefer.

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