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Andy Evans December 12th 04 11:38 AM

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I'm a bit of of a 'grammar fascist' on the quiet,

I like good grammar, but the simple fact is that out of the various people I do
psychometric tests with, there is a sizeable portion of dyslexics and a
sizeable portion of English second (or third) language. It's just not fair to
try to police the language. People comminucate as best they can, and I'm
willing to give them credit for that.

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Andy Evans December 12th 04 11:43 AM

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Did the censors say why they banned discussion about DBT?

I believe this is "a joke". You must have missed some of the thread. There are
some extremely technical and theoretical discussions on the Asylum. Try it and
you'll see. TubesDIY is full of engineers, Tubes is more for tube rollers.

=== Andy Evans ===
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Keith G December 12th 04 12:03 PM

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"Iain M Churches" wrote


I don't take exception at all at Chris Morriss' concern with grammar.
There is every indication that the general standard of English is in
sharp decline, and with 7million in the UK with poor literacy skills
we should all be concerned.

How long will it be before we shall see an "X" on contractual agreements,
beneath which a clerk has written "John Smith, his mark" as was common
in the early part of the 19th century?




You've got more chance of getting into 'Robot Central' with a thumbprint
than you do with a 'signature', I venture to suggest....

(Will all the thickies, who don't undertand the implications of the remark I
have just posted above please, have a little think and try to 'join up the
dots' before drawing all the usual 'wrong conclusions'...???)






Keith G December 12th 04 12:28 PM

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"Iain M Churches" wrote


I made an error, for which I aplogised. I don't
think this has anything to do with idiocy. It is unfortunate
that we cannot all meet your standard of perfection, Stewart,
even though we do try:-)

In contrast, I am told that on RAT they are clubbing
together to buy you a hat with a bell, like Noddy wore.
Is it true?




That's a pity, as I'm sure he already has a number of those - couldn't you
get them to buy him some Book Tokens instead?

:-)





Rob December 12th 04 12:39 PM

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Andy Evans wrote:
I'm a bit of of a 'grammar fascist' on the quiet,

I like good grammar, but the simple fact is that out of the various people I do
psychometric tests with, there is a sizeable portion of dyslexics and a
sizeable portion of English second (or third) language. It's just not fair to
try to police the language. People comminucate as best they can, and I'm
willing to give them credit for that.

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.


I agree Andy, it's not fair - and it can be discriminatory. But(!) a lot
of the students want to go on - in jobs, education. They are simply not
going to get through the door if they can't communicate in accurate
written English. They might think the qualification is all it takes;
Richard Starkey puts this quite well:

"Of course things have got worse," he says. "Everyone working in
universities knows that, but no one dares admit it. The change started
in the late 80s. I can remember as chair of the board of examiners for
the University of London asking for it to be minuted that for the first
time we had awarded a first-class degree to an illiterate person. Now,
it may not matter that standards have fallen or that we effectively need
four-year degrees. What does matter is that we're honest about it."
(Guardian 9 Nov 2004)

Rob

Keith G December 12th 04 12:56 PM

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:



Well, *no-one's* perfect.....


:-)


LOL. Yes. fair point. I'd certainly agree.

One of the reasons I am polite is that I am quite aware that I am a
slow-moving and easy target.



OK, but bear in mind if you are in a group of people which is being chased
by a hungry tiger you don't need to be able to to outrun the tiger - you
only need to be able to outrun the slowest member of the group..... ;-)


I'm quite sure I make mistakes, and having
been polite makes it easier to deal with this when it becomes clear.



Yes, I agree it would in any normal society, but.....


If (as I suspect *is* the case) some people avoid posting for fear of
being
dragged into personal arguments, then I'd encourage people to post anyway,
but just try to stay as polite and calm as they can. The more people join
in and behave in a polite and considerate way, the more a newsgroup's
enviroment will become polite and considerate. This does not have to mean
a
removal of debate or diagreement. As Wally has pointed out, a newsgroup's
behaviour is determined by those who choose to post.



.....it only takes the one Bobbing Turd to clear the entire swimming
pool......


If people reading this
want different behaviour, then the way to try and get this is by example,
not by advocacy.



Not necessarily, such advocacy may well heighten the awareness of others and
may well create a quicker/greater response than quietly trying to set an
example, IMO. Not that I give a rat's - if anyone can't stand the heat in
this particular kitchen there's nothing stopping them going off to create a
kitchen of their own, is there??

Although, having said that, yours and my own views/preferences/opinions are
usually so diametrically opposed that, were either of us to descend into the
'guttersnipe argot', that is readily forthcoming from others here, our
channels of communication would close pretty quickly, I suspect. The fact
that we can keep it 'Strictly Ballroom' may be an 'example' after all!! ;-)




Nick Gorham December 12th 04 01:06 PM

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Other than by my sym's its 1db down at 20k. I don't suggest this is a
fault as Stew has mentioned that he built it to match the response of
his cartridge, but unless you use the same cartridge, then, I would
question your statement, in that its quite possible to produce a valve
phono stage that is closer to flat than that.

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/Stew_Phono.gif



Three points:

1) Your simulation is incorrect. Without R1/C1 rolling off the
response above 2122Hz as required for RIAA correction, the amplifier
is flat to more than 100kHz. This is a *measured* response, and the
-3dB point is above 200kHz, when the circuit is driven from a 12 ohm
source. Replace R1/C1, and the circuit conforms to the RIAA curve
within 0.1dB from 20Hz to 20kHz. Since the nominally perfect HF
response is obvious from even a casual inspection of the circuit, you
should check either your opamp models, or your inverse RIAA circuit.


Ok, I have been going over this to check. I have found where we differ,
my sym was based on including the 3.18us corner, If I rerun the sym with
your circuit and a standard Lipshiz RIAA network on the fron't you get
the sort of response you describe, so we agree on that.

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/Stew_Phono1.gif

I do however find the 3.18us corner adds quite a lot to the result
though, maybe worth considering if anyone is thinking of repeating your
work. A 320R resistor in series with C1 would give a close enough response


3) Aside from the RIAA response, that circuit has about 10dB lower
noise than is possible using valves, and has almost unmeasurable
distortion, certainly well below 0.01% up to 30kHz. If properly laid
out with good earth paths, it also has hum which is below the noise
floor. Try that with valves!


I haven't got a argument with that at all, I would never say that a
valve phono would compete with a SS one on noise, maybe with a jfet
cascode at the front. I take the position that the noise flor of my
phono stage is 15db below the quitest vinyl I have so its good enough
for me :-)

Equally so, I think that low hum is quite possible with careful valve
design and layout, I agree its not simple, but can be done. DC heaters,
and a good regulated power supply are the first steps, then as you say
good earth layout. Having a DC motor on the turntable also helps a lot I
have found when trying to banish hum.

--
Nick

"Life has surface noise" - John Peel 1939-2004

Keith G December 12th 04 01:13 PM

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"Rob" wrote


HFW has to be most poorly edited and written 'mainstream' magazine I have
come across. It is atrocious. And that's before I get to the content ;-).




Yes and it's a hoot seeing the stuff there spell chequer passes, ain't it?
:-)


I think that's a shame - I've just read that a major university physics
department has closed down.



Cambridge is also shutting down its Architecture Department I gather. (No
bad thing IMO - every niece and nephew Swim and I have between us is wanting
to be an 'Architect' it seems....!!!)





Chris Morriss December 12th 04 01:17 PM

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In message , Iain M Churches
writes
Kunnoittaen

Iain





After all these posts, all I can say is:

Syantani tuimelevi, paatani pahoin panevi.

Missing all the umlauts on the 'a's though.
--
Chris Morriss

Iain M Churches December 12th 04 01:31 PM

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
y wd it b a prob 4 u if u r a txtr?

Now, I don't doubt that you understood exactly what I wrote above,
even if you have never seen a mobile phone text message.


You forget that I live half the year in Finland. Land of Nokia,
where 95 percent of the population betwen the years of 10 and 70
have a cell-phone:-)

How long will it be before we shall see an "X" on contractual agreements,
beneath which a clerk has written "John Smith, his mark" as was common
in the early part of the 19th century?


The difficulty will lie in finding a literate clerk...................


No that won't be a problem, but he/she may well be an Indian:-)

Cordially,

Iain




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