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Keith G wrote:
I think you are missing his point Wally - he is saying that he is aware
that there are a number of people who refrain from joining in here for
fear of being unsulted or dragged into a slanging match and that that
is, ultimately, not good for this group. I happen to agree...

There are plenty of people afraid to join in public discussions for
reasons best known to themselves. Anyone who expresses an opinion in a
debate is by nature likely to be challenged - otherwise it becomes merely
a lecture. But the one genuine lecturer here seems to be also the one who
conducts his debates with the least invective.

--
*When did my wild oats turn to prunes and all bran?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Iain M Churches wrote:

Q: How does an agnostic, dyslectic, insomniac spend his nights?
A; He lays awake, wondering "Is there a Dog?"

Agnostics don't wonder. They either seek evidence, or draw the logical
conclusion from the lack thereof.



:-))

Come on Wally, lighten up:-)
It was a joke told to me at a jazz
concert by a Swedish tenor player.
I thought it might appeal to Arny, that's all.

Iain

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Oh, feck me - don't tell me that **** still thinks he can teach his
betters how to speak proper English??

As wot u rite?



Try this:

"`Mawnin'!' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee - `nice wedder dis mawnin',' sezee.
"Tar-Baby ain't sayin' nuthin', en Brer Fox he lay low.

"`How duz yo' sym'tums seem ter segashuate?' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee.

"Brer Fox, he wink his eye slow, en lay low, en de Tar-Baby, she ain't
sayin' nuthin'.

"'How you come on, den? Is you deaf?' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee. 'Kaze if you
is, I kin holler louder,' sezee.

"Tar-Baby stay still, en Brer Fox, he lay low.

"'You er stuck up, dat's w'at you is,' says Brer Rabbit, sezee, 'en I;m
gwine ter kyore you, dat's w'at I'm a gwine ter do,' sezee.

"Brer Fox, he sorter chuckle in his stummick, he did, but Tar-Baby ain't
sayin' nothin'.

"'I'm gwine ter larn you how ter talk ter 'spectubble folks ef hit's de las'
ack,' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee. 'Ef you don't take off dat hat en tell me
howdy, I'm gwine ter bus' you wide open,' sezee.

"Tar-Baby stay still, en Brer Fox, he lay low.



Or, you might prefer:

"Good morning!" says Brer Rabbit, says he. "Nice weather we're having this
morning," says he.

Tar-Baby didn't say a word, and Brer Fox, he lay low.

"How are you feeling this morning?" says Brer Rabbit, says he.

Brer Fox, he winked his eye real slow and lay low and the Tar-Baby didn't
say a thing.

"What is the matter with you then? Are you deaf?" says Brer Rabbit, says he.
"Cause if you are, I can holler louder," says he.

The Tar-Baby stayed still and Brer Fox, he lay low.

"You're stuck-up, that's what's wrong with you. You think you're too good to
talk to me," says Brer Rabbit, says he. "And I'm going to cure you, that's
what I'm going to do," says he.

Brer Fox started to chuckle in his stomach, he did, but Tar-Baby didn't say
a word.

"I'm going to teach you how to talk to respectable folks if it's my last
act," says Brer Rabbit, says he. "If you don't take off that hat and say
howdy, I'm going to bust you wide open," says he.

Tar-Baby stayed still and Brer Fox, he lay low.

:-)

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I think you are missing his point Wally - he is saying that he is aware
that there are a number of people who refrain from joining in here for
fear of being unsulted or dragged into a slanging match and that that
is, ultimately, not good for this group. I happen to agree...

There are plenty of people afraid to join in public discussions for
reasons best known to themselves. Anyone who expresses an opinion in a
debate is by nature likely to be challenged - otherwise it becomes merely
a lecture. But the one genuine lecturer here seems to be also the one who
conducts his debates with the least invective.


Well, *no-one's* perfect.....

:-)

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Keith G wrote:
Now that's a change of tack.


It is??

Yes.


First you're complaining of 'the inrush of a
few anti vinyl bigots, and now you're tacitly admitting they 'behaved'
themselves.


Compaining? Tacitly admitting??? Where *does* this all come from? Do you
get a lot of headaches, by any chance?

Banging my head against the brick wall that is your 'intellect '?



But as usual, you've missed the point.

Good - coming from you.


It's one thing to appreciate
obsolete technology, and to enjoy playing with it. It's another matter to
state in an open forum just how superior it is to current technology.


It is? Sez who?

I've just said it.


When
by any measure - other than your 'ears' it plainly isn't, nor can it be
shown to be by any accepted comparisons.


It is? Sez who?

(What 'accepted comparisons'...???)

I take it you never actually read anything on here?


Have you actually made the Pinky MC pre-amp?


Huh?

Thought you read ukrav. Obviously not.


I have. If you haven't, I'd
suggest you do. It out performs any valve MC pickup in every possible
parameter.

Forgive me if I let that pass me by.....

Obviously if you don't know what I'm talking about.


If you are serious about wanting the best performance from
vinyl.


Don't try that 'we have to insult you because we want you to get the
best from your vinyl' claptrap on me, it won't wash - my vinyl's
*fine*, thank you very much......

To quote someone - can't think who -'sez who'?

So you'll not be posting again about any of the incredible improvements
you seem to make every day or so? On something that's 'fine'?


Me *own* this group? (What strange thinking!) How is that possible? -
I'm not on 'The Panel' and I never use the plural form to voice my
*personal* opinions....

It's not possible. But I'd say you would if you could...


You do??


And what you forget is that many of those you hate have been around
here a lot longer than you.


Hate? Where TF does all this crap come from? Gawd, it all goes on your
funny little head, dunnit? Are you feeling 'hated' than? - Is that why
your posts are so mean-spirited and sour...??

Well, IAC felt hated enough to stop posting - and reckons others are put
off by the invective. And looked at objectively, do you call your friends
****s etc?

Would it help if I said I don't *hate* you? (I think you are a bitter
little ****, but I don't 'hate' you....)

**** again. Bitter little ****. Wonder what you do call people you
actively dislike then?

But I'm proud to be called any names you like by you. Just confirms my
opinion of you.

Anway, what's the point you are making - that I've been here only about
5 years or so means I should still be grateful for any snippets of
wisdom 'The Panel' (ie the *owners*) care to send my way?

(I got news for you, matey..... ;-)

I don't think you should be grateful for anything. Just read and enjoy -
or not - what others say. And not treat every post disagreeing with you
like it is an insult on your manhood.


But don't want to censor anyone's views - just debate
them. Dunno how you find that so hard to stomach.


I don't, I just like to pay people back who try to bully individuals in
this group. It happens all the time and it's being tried on Andy Evans
even now. Unfortunately for 'The Panel' here I think AE is well up to
having all of you for breakfast and he has a wicked wit (albeit a
little 'wordy'), to boot!!

:-))

Perhaps you'd print out all your posts and the replies over say the last
couple of months and take them to an expert. And ask him who's doing the
bullying...

Lemmee see, out of the half dozen people in my *immediate audio circle*
(friends and family) EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM prefers vinyl to CD (ie
thinks it's *better*)! What sort of percentage does that make? Do you
think I give a mosquito's fart what one or two nonentities in a public
newsgroup like this one thinks, by comparison....??

Judging by the way you rant and rave on here, do they say 'yes dear' after
you've asked them? Or are you saying that all your family and friends
possess a record playing system which they still use regularly? If so,
I've got news for you. Your family and friends are equally as weird as
you...


(I think it's time one or two of you got a leetle bit of a Reality Check
going.... :-)

No - I think you need to. Just look at the relative sales of CD against LP
if you want a rough percentage of the numbers using each.


Now, tell me summat Plowie - if I'm the only one 'out of the thousands
you read'** in your ****ter (as you intimated a day or two ago,
apparently), how come you are replying to my posts?? (Or, as 'one here'
likes to say rather a lot - are you *lying* again...??? ;-)

As I said it was only set for a given time.


Oh, **** me - you can't tell just how *relieved* I am to hear that!! ;-)

(What was it - a swift little 24 hour punishment then?? :-)

Sorry to **** on your bonfire, but the killfile is for my benefit. I don't
seek to punish anyone. You, however, seem to want to cause physical harm
to many - if your posts are to be believed.


I like to see if anything has changed. At least you haven't thrown one
of your (sober) drunken wobblies recently.


Sober/drunken?

Tell me, in this little La La Land of yours (where I am continually
****ed, apparently) what am I wearing?

(Kato mask, fluffy bunny slippers, shower cap and a grubby mac??)

:-)

Wobblies?

(Believe me, you haven't seen me throw anything like a wobbly......!!)

Ok then. Have it your own way. Others might disagree.


Toys being thrown out of prams have no attraction to me -

Do you find this sort of ridiculous 'overstatement' satisfying to use? I
think it is a fairly weak 'debating tool' and prefer humour,
light-hearted ****-take and occasionally a little modest
'understatement' myself....


although of course you have to accept it with some kids.


No you don't - you could just ignore it. (If you *could* ignore it, that
is.... :-)

I ignore what I want and reply to what I want to. For nothing other than
my own amusement. Unless I try and answer a genuine question - in which
case it will be to the best of my ability.

:-)

** Really? Thousands....?????

Mind....

Boggle....

Boggled mind....

Looking at the numbers of individual authors in my newsreader at the
moment - and it is set to expire posts after 14 days - gives 876. So
thousands over a period of time is a reasonable estimate.


Whatever.....

Now, got anything interesting or amusing to say? My subscription here is
supposed to a 'hobbyist' (fun) thing, you know.....

:-)

--
*Women like silent men; they think they're listening.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Iain M Churches wrote:

Come on Wally, lighten up:-)

I am thoroughly lightened. Perhaps you should give it a try yourself.


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Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote


Compaining? Tacitly admitting??? Where *does* this all come from? Do you
get a lot of headaches, by any chance?

Banging my head against the brick wall that is your 'intellect '?


It's not *mandatory* that you read my posts, my dear chap......


It's one thing to appreciate
obsolete technology,


Obsolete? Are you reading anything, anywhere these days - even EAR is
bringing out a new turntable. How 'obsolete' is that?


and to enjoy playing with it. It's another matter to
state in an open forum just how superior it is to current technology.


It is? Sez who?

I've just said it.


Oh that's all right then......



When
by any measure - other than your 'ears' it plainly isn't, nor can it be
shown to be by any accepted comparisons.


Have a little think about this - if vinyl *wasn't* miles better than CD, who
*on earth* would bother with it then??

Consider this also - I only 'rediscovered' vinyl 6 or 7 years ago and the
bulk of my records have been bought (grabbing them up like a cat burying
crap, actually) in the last 3 or 4 years. I could have just as easily been
buying SACDs (or whatever) which my Pioneer DV- 575a would play perfectly
well...

(One thing you can't do is 'download' vinyl of the Net!)



It is? Sez who?

(What 'accepted comparisons'...???)

I take it you never actually read anything on here?


Er, see immediately below....



Have you actually made the Pinky MC pre-amp?


Huh?

Thought you read ukrav. Obviously not.


......I posted here very recently that I only subscribe to this group. Miss
that did you? - Don't tell me, I wuz in the ****ta....???


Don't try that 'we have to insult you because we want you to get the
best from your vinyl' claptrap on me, it won't wash - my vinyl's
*fine*, thank you very much......

To quote someone - can't think who -'sez who'?


Shiny Nigel.


So you'll not be posting again about any of the incredible improvements
you seem to make every day or so? On something that's 'fine'?


I've made no improvements to my 'vinyl side' in about a year now. It's the
amplifier/speaker matching I've been having the most recent success with. I
would do you an open mic recording of the 50 year old Lionel Hampton record
I've got on right this minute to demonstrate the sound I'm getting now -
with treble (vibes) that would shatter a wine glass (I don't use them - I
just drop a straw in the bottle, as you know) which ain't too bad,
considering how the treble's ****ed on vinyl after only 3 plays.....

But you'll just say 'don't bother'...



**** again. Bitter little ****. Wonder what you do call people you
actively dislike then?


Mister.


But I'm proud to be called any names you like by you. Just confirms my
opinion of you.


If it flotes yer bote.... :-)



I don't think you should be grateful for anything. Just read and enjoy -
or not - what others say. And not treat every post disagreeing with you
like it is an insult on your manhood.


???

I'm 57 - what makes you think I give a rat's about 'manhood'???

I'd sooner have a cup o' tea and a fag, any day....

(When you're in your teens, folks, you could *eat* it - when you get to my
age, if you've been round the block a couple of times like I have, you'll
wish you bloody had!! ;-)


Perhaps you'd print out all your posts and the replies over say the last
couple of months and take them to an expert. And ask him who's doing the
bullying...


Ain't that just the thing - bullies can't stand any form of resistance can
they? (First ones to cry 'not fair' and run squealing to their mummies....)


Lemmee see, out of the half dozen people in my *immediate audio circle*
(friends and family) EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM prefers vinyl to CD (ie
thinks it's *better*)! What sort of percentage does that make? Do you
think I give a mosquito's fart what one or two nonentities in a public
newsgroup like this one thinks, by comparison....??

Judging by the way you rant and rave on here, do they say 'yes dear' after
you've asked them?


Only Shiny Nigel.


Or are you saying that all your family and friends
possess a record playing system which they still use regularly? If so,
I've got news for you. Your family and friends are equally as weird as
you...


Well, three of that 'immediate circle' are posters here and, yes, all the
others (including Swim) are very keen 'vinylistes'.

Another Reality Check (real time: 01:10) we're waiting to do 'I, Robot'
(would you believe) but not until Swim's heard the rest of this (second,
now) Lionel Hampton.....

(Quite recent this one - a 1983 reissue of a 1956 Pathe recording.)



(I think it's time one or two of you got a leetle bit of a Reality Check
going.... :-)

No - I think you need to. Just look at the relative sales of CD against LP
if you want a rough percentage of the numbers using each.


WTF does that add up to? Here's a Reality Check you may be able to relate to
(if I have your birthplace right) - we spend more on fekkin' beefburgers in
a year than we do on Aberdeen Angus beefsteak....


Sorry to **** on your bonfire,


**** away - go for it.....


but the killfile is for my benefit. I don't
seek to punish anyone. You, however, seem to want to cause physical harm
to many - if your posts are to be believed.


Nice little twist (glad to see you haven't lost your touch) - the only
fekkin' 'Keyboard Hardcase' on this group who's offered physical violence on
this group is Pinky when he 'threatened' to 'punch my larynx out' (IIRC) -
like I actually *talk* to the screen!! (Which, of course makes me
wonder....!!! :-)

:-)

(Anytime you like Pinky, but you'll do the driving!! ;-)


Get your facts right for once - it would make a welcome change....


Wobblies?

(Believe me, you haven't seen me throw anything like a wobbly......!!)

Ok then. Have it your own way. Others might disagree.


Never mind 'others' - for once, try standing on your own two feet. (I'm
'talking' to *you* - cherish the moment! ;-)


No you don't - you could just ignore it. (If you *could* ignore it, that
is.... :-)

I ignore what I want and reply to what I want to. For nothing other than
my own amusement. Unless I try and answer a genuine question - in which
case it will be to the best of my ability.


Me too (or 'AOL' as you like to say....)



Now, got anything interesting or amusing to say? My subscription here is
supposed to a 'hobbyist' (fun) thing, you know.....


*Women like silent men; they think they're listening.


Hmmm OK, but don't give up your day job.....

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Keith G wrote:

Do you mean 'tube' (I queried this with Swim - she's a
Doondunion)...??? ;-)

Nope, rube - sort of a cross between a newbie and a sucker. A newbie who's
so green, he embarrasses himself in public. (I would have written tube as
'choob'.)


Basically, he can't handle the fact that there are people who's
beliefs regarding conduct differ from his. I for one will never
kow-tow to any ****er's set of ethics other than my own - and I've
never anyone with a scrap of self-assertiveness that held a
different view.

Even more 'liberating'.....

He's a pontificating arse who thinks that what amounts to an epistolary
brothel (where the stock in trade is audio blether rather than easy sex)
should be full of arse-licking bum-chums. He's making the primary error of
assuming that the only thing that's acceptable here is 'valuable
information', politely delivered. He's completely failed to understand that
this is a *community* of people who, to some extent or another, know each
other, and who communicate with each other in ways that work for them.

This place isn't a ****ing book on how to make hi-fi sound good!

Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with politeness and civility. The
mistake that IMC is making is that there *is* something wrong with the mode
of communication that is common, to the point of de-rigeur, on usenet.

There isn't, there isn't, thrice there isn't. And so it shall remain until
some hero of philosophy can prove that god exists, prove that the ethical
schema espoused by the likes of IMC really has been handed down from god,
that god is all-powerful, the supreme being, and that we really will burn in
hell if we don't follow his dictat.

Normative ethics is a philosophical minefield - people have been trying to
prove that there is such a thing for centuries and, so far as I'm aware,
they have all failed. (There's so much other **** that they have to prove to
make it stick, that they've got a snowball's chance in non-existent hell of
pulling it off.) IMC's moralistic bull**** is predicated on ****-all other
than agreed modes of conduct and communication between individuals. It would
seem that he thinks that, because he and his buddies have agreed to conduct
themselves thus, then so should every other ****er. What he doesn't
understand is that the modes of communication on usenet are just the same as
his - effectively agreed/tolerated between individuals. So ****in' what if
he doesn't like it - it's no skin off my nose, and if he wants to rub his
beak up and down a brick wall until it bleeds, then that's his affair.


Nice use of the English Language, if I may say so - should keep that
Urk Morris quiet for a while.....

And, if he can't, he should shut the **** up about 'behaviour'
and get on with posting on-topic.

Oops, OK then - as you were!! ;-)

The fact that I suggested that the gentleman concerned should "shut the ****
up" is no less a skillful use of language. The purpose of language is to
communicate, and the purpose of that line was to communicate a valid point
while employing invective to imply a modicum of imperative. In other words,
it doesn't matter how high-and-mighty his ethico-behaviourist proposition
appears to be - if he can't back it up with a solid, well-reasoned argument,
then he's full of ****. He's appealing to a vague notion of 'proper conduct'
when, in substantive terms, there is no such thing. The only people that
will agree with him are those who *already* agree with him, and those who
swither on the sidelines, unsure of their own opinion actually is. His words
on this matter are effectively valueless, such that the rest of us, to some
degree or another, will be inclined to the notion that he can go and ****
himself.


I've been feeling bad here for a while now -

Don't. As a wise man once said, it's only ones and zeros.


Pinky kicks my arse and
nothing's said, I rip his tits off (and eat them) and suddenly
there's a whole load of shrieking and squealing in here and suddenly
I'm the Bad Guy! (Got me quite paranoid it did!! :-) And I've been
spending far too much time worrying about the 'tone' here than
enjoying myself!!

The key concept here is 'entertainment'.


Your view has, as I said, proved *most* liberating. I think I'll stop
worrying about the Screaming Queens

You got it - they're a shower of ****ing drama queens who don't understand
the nature of where the **** they are. This isn't *real* real life, it's a
facet of real life that has it's own way of doing things. The silly wee
weans, and the pontificating ****s like IMC, are making the naive mistake of
assuming that how people conduct themselves face to face is how people must
conduct themselves here. They're wrong. If they disagree, they should open
their eyes, take a *****ing good look* around usenet, and get a ****ing
clue.


and just have a bit of fun from
now on - as you state above, if anyone's too dim to use their
killfiles then that's their ****ing hard luck, innit?

Exactly.


(The interesting corollary is that I feel less inclined to sling
Pinky back into the ****ter too quickly, now that I've got
'permission' to have a bit of fun with him....;-)

I think you get the idea. :-)


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:52:38 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
UKRAV is such a group where vinyl enthusiasts can 'wax' lyrical about
its 'advantages'. But even those who set it up - for the self same
reasons as you seem to want - ignore it and post here. Draw your own
conclusions.

A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing
acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately
pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here
too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b)
they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this
group.

Strange. I remember those from here who decided to read it extremely
helpful with advice on how to get the best out of vinyl. Once you remove
the 'versus' argument, why not?

Don't worry, the 'Brownie Point Stacking' exercise was noted from Day 1 by
more than just me - but the mystery was, why on earth should people who, by
many previous admissions, follow a special interest into its own group to do
there (claimed) what they felt they couldn't do in here?

Simple really (I'll keep it that way, so you have some chance of
understanding). Several of us had *decades* of experience with vinyl,
and how to get the very best out of it, before CD arrived and made
vinyl obsolete. If some people still insist on using vinyl, then why
would we not help them to get the best out of it, in a forum where CD
vs vinyl arguments are inappropriate?

What was interesting (and hilarious) was that certain parties seemed
to get all paranoid and think there must be some underlying agenda. It
also became apparent that there really wasn't enough interest in vinyl
to keep the group going, and it rapidly became moribund. Aside from a
little cross-posting, it is essentially dead.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:



Have you actually made the Pinky MC pre-amp?



Huh?


Thought you read ukrav. Obviously not.



I have. If you haven't, I'd
suggest you do. It out performs any valve MC pickup in every possible
parameter.


Other than by my sym's its 1db down at 20k. I don't suggest this is a
fault as Stew has mentioned that he built it to match the response of
his cartridge, but unless you use the same cartridge, then, I would
question your statement, in that its quite possible to produce a valve
phono stage that is closer to flat than that.

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/Stew_Phono.gif

--
Nick

"Life has surface noise" - John Peel 1939-2004