A certain RobH, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

These days FM radio is very poor example of an analogue system because
most of the audio sources that are broadcast are digital in origin e.g.
CD, DAT, hard disk playback systems and even MDs. Live performances such
as those from the Albert Hall are shipped around using NICAM. The BBC
still occasionally play records though.

This applies to any playback medium you can think of. Any LP that you
can pick which has been produced in the last ten years or so has
probably been mastered on a digital rig.

--

"Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com

A certain RobH, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

These days FM radio is very poor example of an analogue system because
most of the audio sources that are broadcast are digital in origin e.g.
CD, DAT, hard disk playback systems and even MDs. Live performances such
as those from the Albert Hall are shipped around using NICAM. The BBC
still occasionally play records though.

This applies to any playback medium you can think of. Any LP that you
can pick which has been produced in the last ten years or so has
probably been mastered on a digital rig.

--

"Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:59 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

Because this group is dedicated to analogue technologies?

BTW, when people talk about how wonderful is a live 'analogue' FM
broadcast on Radio 3, the *real* joke is that this is transmitted from
the concert venue via a 13-bit digital link, and has been since the
late '60s! :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:59 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

Because this group is dedicated to analogue technologies?

BTW, when people talk about how wonderful is a live 'analogue' FM
broadcast on Radio 3, the *real* joke is that this is transmitted from
the concert venue via a 13-bit digital link, and has been since the
late '60s! :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:11 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain RobH, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

* flat response (none of this RIAA curve stuff)
* better dynamic range (at least 20 dB higher than vinyl)
* better S/N ratio
* less distotion i.e. no pitch variations, rumble, surface noise etc

and probably a few others than I've not thought of.

The real question (NB, CD seems to meet all of your directly specified
requirements)

Except that it's not analogue. Duh..................

is if such a hypothetical improved system would produce
audible improvements.

Well, given that the best CDs (as a group) that I've heard are all
made from analogue tape masters, I guess that would be a 'no'.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:11 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain RobH, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

* flat response (none of this RIAA curve stuff)
* better dynamic range (at least 20 dB higher than vinyl)
* better S/N ratio
* less distotion i.e. no pitch variations, rumble, surface noise etc

and probably a few others than I've not thought of.

The real question (NB, CD seems to meet all of your directly specified
requirements)

Except that it's not analogue. Duh..................

is if such a hypothetical improved system would produce
audible improvements.

Well, given that the best CDs (as a group) that I've heard are all
made from analogue tape masters, I guess that would be a 'no'.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
writes
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:59 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

Because this group is dedicated to analogue technologies?

BTW, when people talk about how wonderful is a live 'analogue' FM
broadcast on Radio 3, the *real* joke is that this is transmitted from
the concert venue via a 13-bit digital link, and has been since the
late '60s! :-)

Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..
--
Tony Sayer

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
writes
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:59 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

Because this group is dedicated to analogue technologies?

BTW, when people talk about how wonderful is a live 'analogue' FM
broadcast on Radio 3, the *real* joke is that this is transmitted from
the concert venue via a 13-bit digital link, and has been since the
late '60s! :-)

Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..
--
Tony Sayer

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..

Taking R3 as the standard which still has a high bitrate on DAB, I'd say
the difference if any is small, and not always in favour of one or the
other. DTV seems to have a small lead, and I think I'd choose this if I
had to choose. With the pop stations which all thrash levels, I've a
feeling you're listening to the difference in the peak limiters in the
systems when comparing FM and DTV. DAB agreed sounds terrible at the
current rates used on these.

--
*Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..

Taking R3 as the standard which still has a high bitrate on DAB, I'd say
the difference if any is small, and not always in favour of one or the
other. DTV seems to have a small lead, and I think I'd choose this if I
had to choose. With the pop stations which all thrash levels, I've a
feeling you're listening to the difference in the peak limiters in the
systems when comparing FM and DTV. DAB agreed sounds terrible at the
current rates used on these.

--
*Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn