Eeyore wrote:

It's for listening to of course !
Try again.

Troll.

Your response is feeble. Two short videos of presumably-amateur musicians
playing something on stringy strummy things...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oxlPoZNbU

How many stars out of five for each? Does any particular one have a quality
that the other lacks?


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk
Call me a saint, call me a sinner - just don't call me... late for
dinner.

Arny Krueger wrote:

Myself - I get on well with a couple of 3.0 liter vehicles, a sedan
and a van. The sedan is kinda interesting, as it has a quad cam V-6
with computer-controlled variable cam timing, a 6-speed automatic
transmission and 4-link suspension (none of those backward McPherson
struts) at all 4 corners.

And I bet it still corners like a bag of skitters. Corner - that's a thing
where the road isn't straight any more. Have you got any of them in Yankland
yet?


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk
Stress: You wake up screaming and realise you haven't fallen asleep yet.

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
oups.com...
It is not a "weakened form" to write an opinion of your own and then
pretend it was what someone else wrote. I wrote what I meant, you
made up something else to argue with. Slainte, Jim

I'm just that kind of a guy - charismatic, unpredictable,
bohemian............. Andy



Yes, I'll have some of that - put me down for a sheepskin coat, paratrooper
boots and small, blue, gold-rimmed, octagonal shades....

(Too many wannabee 'white coats' in here, as it is!! ;-)

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote


Fact is the matter is that almost nobody likes this crap - just a few
poorly-educated, well-funded, obsessive-compulsives.



Denial of this magnitude is almost impressive, but your theories lose out
to the *facts* reported by Iain, I'm sorry to say....


I don't read hi-fi reviews, but listen carefully to what dealers tell me.
They are not trying to sell me anything, but they do have their finger
on the pulse, and know precisely what products are in demand.
The fact that in Stockholm one can buy a Krell at -30% while there
is a longish waiting list for Conrad Johnson, speaks volumes.


No surprise to me!

(When Arny uses the word 'fact' I reach for the Radio Times.....!! ;-)

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Andy Evans" wrote in
message
oups.com...
What they are confusing this with is their preference
for an intentionally flawed but
entirely pleasnt and relatively benign form of
distortion. Nothing wrong with their
listening preference but the presentation of this as
inherently superior is utterly
bogus.

The idea that valves are simply "added distortion" and
nothing else could only be made by somebody with a) very
little knowledge of modern valve circuits and how they
sound or b) somebody with cloth ears.


A Swedish "very high end" dealer told me just recently:
quote:

" The very top of the audio market is totally dominated
by tube amplifiers. Music lovers in this sector (many of
who have speakers at 10k a pair) are highly discerning."

In short, he has a lot of respect for people that pay his way.

Proves nothing.

Once again, Arny your analysis of the situation is sadly
innacurate. The man sells no white goods, home theatre
or cheapo SS equipment. He has a well-healed discerning
client base, most of whom choose valve audio. It's that simple.



Won't mean a thing to the *Denial Boyz*.....

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
oups.com...
Email me with some details and an idea of cost (pix too, if you have
any)
but bear in mind if I do have a go it will be the basis for a webpage
like
this!

It's a deal. you can then see what I've been talking about! I'll email
you the details. Andy



:-)

Keith G wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Andy Evans" wrote in
message
oups.com...
What they are confusing this with is their preference
for an intentionally flawed but
entirely pleasnt and relatively benign form of
distortion. Nothing wrong with their
listening preference but the presentation of this as
inherently superior is utterly
bogus.

The idea that valves are simply "added distortion" and
nothing else could only be made by somebody with a) very
little knowledge of modern valve circuits and how they
sound or b) somebody with cloth ears.


A Swedish "very high end" dealer told me just recently:
quote:

" The very top of the audio market is totally dominated
by tube amplifiers. Music lovers in this sector (many of
who have speakers at 10k a pair) are highly discerning."

In short, he has a lot of respect for people that pay his way.

Proves nothing.

*Denial* is the 'Christian Way', eh Arny? :-)

In truth what one high-end esoteric dealer says does indeed prove nothing.

Graham

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Andy Evans" wrote in
message
oups.com
All it has to do is sound as *realistic* as possible for
me - that's
*my* realistic, not anyone else's and it definitely helps
if I can hear
*all* of the voices, *all* of the words (where
applicable) and *all* of the instruments. Keith.

Keith, you're definitely heading for one of my small-DHT
preamps - I can give you all the kit bits cheap and you
can assemble it. Don't ask me why, but these small DHTs
have a clarity I don't find in any other amplification
stage. You have a little treat in store. Andy

DHT = Directly-Heated Triodes. They must be a treat to bias properly given
that the cathode isn't all at the same potential.

I'm perplexed as to how a heater method can alter the 'sound' other than in the
believer's mind. Either the cathode's at the right temperature for emission or
it isn't.

Graham

Keith G wrote:

It may warm the cockles of your heart to know that I have learned a good
deal from some of the posters in this group over the recent years, but you
and that silly little clown Plowie (another idiot who thinks he has
something to *teach* to other people) are not among their number.....

Your sense of self-importance based on an absence of knowledge about the
underlying technology is quite breathtaking to behold.

Graham

Keith G wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Eeyore"
wrote

There is essentially no 'new' tube design possible due to
the serious fundamental limitations of the devices. Any
significant advances terminated in the 50s.

One irony is that there were very few commercial high-powered SETs until
the last decade or two. By the time there were tubes that could handle
enough power to be interesting, running audio amp output stages in
push-pull had become quite the rage.

'Interesting'....???

More ******** - the only thing that fuelled the need for increasingly
powerful amps was the continuing trend/requirement for smaller speakers and
that was mostly influence from the US of A, where they need 7+ litre cars
and 1,300 cc bikes to do 55 mph....

Actually it was about less efficient speakers.

Graham