Arny Krueger wrote:

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when judged
by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage goes to the
CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.


Too bad they don't take advantage of it

http://georgegraham.com/compress.html

BTW, my analysis ignores the fact that LPs are prone to many scratches,
clicks, and pops while CDs are not. Krakow goes further than most
vinylistas in the direction of truth by admitting that these exist.
Scratches, clicks and pops do more than just distract you from the music,
they detract from dynamic range. A good scratch or pop may be louder than
the music, possibly leading to the mind-bending concept of negative dynamic
range.

Therefore, by the most pro-LP-biased of technical evaluations, the music
information leader is as always the CD format, and by a factor of at least
10. This means that if the LP format had far more bandwidth than the CD
format (which as a practical matter it does not) the LP format would need to
have 10 times more bandwidth than the CD format to break even.

It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be technical
experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts of basic audio
engineering training.

I find it amusing you choose to complain here instead of discussing your
opinion with the author of the article. I'll listen to Edison wax
cylinders if I feel like it and theres not a damn thing you can do about it.


Adam

In article , tony sayer

wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk scribeth thus
In article , tony sayer
wrote:
I'll ask my undergrads again this year if any have vinyl (or valve)
as part of their audio.

I thought you'd retired?.....

Yes. Did so a few years ago. However old academics tend to be re-hired
as 'casual labour' on an hourly basis to go on teaching courses, etc.
They want me to go on teaching my old courses on Basic Electronics,
Radio and Coherent Tech, and Information and Measurement. So I am happy
to oblige as it only takes 2-3 hours per week.


Keeps U out from under SWMBO's feet and all that accumulated know how
over the years .. seems a pity to waste...

The recent good news was that she agreed to let me shift a bookcase and its
contents from the anechoic chamber control room to home. So I now have all
my old HFN, Mullard journals, etc, at home. Makes searching for bits of
info much easier. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message
...
**** is enraged.
Why don't you admit the truth, ****?
No wonder you're the ****.
Very quick response time, ****.
I'll be the first to admit that your ****tiness is as obvious as the turds
on Krooger's dinner plate.

And still having absolutely nothing to say doesn't stop George making a
complete and utter dickhead of himself.

MrT.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
It seems you can learn from crosspostings after all - I thought the 'T'
in 'Mr T' stood for * Tit *....

That would make me quite useful at least, I can't say the same about you or
George unfortunately!

MrT.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
What that tells me is that vinyl is likely to be around for quite a
while yet, irrespective of what *percentage* it may or may not represent
of anything - what does it tell you....??

It tells me that people are now paying prices high enough that a few
manufacturers can satisfy a small volume market.
How long that will last is anybody's guess.

MrT.

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
It seems you can learn from crosspostings after all - I thought the
'T'
in 'Mr T' stood for * Tit *....

That would make me quite useful at least, I can't say the same about
you or
George unfortunately!

MrT.


Try it like this:

"That would make me quite useful, at least; I can't say the same about
you or George, unfortunately!"

If you are going to plaster these groups with pointless drivel you may
as well do it properly...

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message
...
**** is enraged.
Why don't you admit the truth, ****?
No wonder you're the ****.
Very quick response time, ****.
I'll be the first to admit that your ****tiness is as obvious as the
turds
on Krooger's dinner plate.

And still having absolutely nothing to say doesn't stop George making
a
complete and utter dickhead of himself.

MrT.



Pot, kettle....

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Give these people a shout - they'll ship you one today, if you want and
they're on your doostep aren't they...??

musicdirect

For the same price as an average CD player? :-) :-)

MrT.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote


Now this has really got the little grey cells working. I shall make
a
phone call or two tomorrow to see if I can get some Chinkies on
sale or return.


Look forward to hearing summat from them!

If I lived where you do I'd hop on a boat and check these people out:

http://violet-design.ee/


Find this link:

http://www.osxrecording.com/mp3/dylan.mp3


...on this page:

http://www.osxrecording.com/Reviews-...ent-id-26.html


"I wasn't trying to do a Dylan imitation here, but I do love playing
and
singing this one, and have been doing it since I was a kid. I just
kind of
sound this way."

(*Not* ****e..!! :-)









And...??

:-)

"Adam Stouffer" wrote in message
news:MtqDi.7009$3R5.965@trnddc05...
Arny Krueger wrote:

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when
judged by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage
goes to the CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.


Too bad they don't take advantage of it

http://georgegraham.com/compress.html

BTW, my analysis ignores the fact that LPs are prone to many
scratches, clicks, and pops while CDs are not. Krakow goes further
than most vinylistas in the direction of truth by admitting that
these exist. Scratches, clicks and pops do more than just distract
you from the music, they detract from dynamic range. A good scratch
or pop may be louder than the music, possibly leading to the
mind-bending concept of negative dynamic range.

Therefore, by the most pro-LP-biased of technical evaluations, the
music information leader is as always the CD format, and by a factor
of at least 10. This means that if the LP format had far more
bandwidth than the CD format (which as a practical matter it does
not) the LP format would need to have 10 times more bandwidth than
the CD format to break even.

It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be
technical experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts
of basic audio engineering training.

I find it amusing you choose to complain here instead of discussing
your opinion with the author of the article. I'll listen to Edison wax
cylinders if I feel like it and theres not a damn thing you can do
about it.


Yes there is - he can whine about it....