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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

A way to separate fools from money.

He made them initially for his own use.

From parts that cost someone money.

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Iain Churches wrote

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain

Scamming is a commitment you may both regret. Quite apart
from not going to heaven, which is actually far more
important than you seem to have realised, you get a
reputation for being a ****. There's no going back.

But I think you have made this up. You need to think through
the problem of neat terminations if you want to make more
than the minimum wage.

Ian

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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain

Scamming is a commitment you may both regret. Quite apart from not going
to heaven, which is actually far more important than you seem to have
realised, you get a reputation for being a ****. There's no going back.


My passage to heaven is assured. I am in no way involved
in this cable production. I just put a man who wanted
something done in touch with people who could do it.
I make music, which is much more fun. There is a
place for me in the big recording studio in the sky.


You need to think through the problem of neat terminations
if you want to make more than the minimum wage.

I think he has a pre-production cable on which he has solved the
problems of termination cosmetics.

Iain

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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain

Scamming is a commitment you may both regret. Quite apart from not going
to heaven, which is actually far more important than you seem to have
realised, you get a reputation for being a ****. There's no going back.


Hmm. Just hd a thought. If the quantities become large enough,
he could get Tasker, or Van Damme, or Nokia to make the cables.
They will do so happily, and charge him for their services.
Does that make them ****s?

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In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:
Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get a
decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a large(ish)
job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid an hour for
one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with his toolkit which
included crimping tools for just about any connector you could name.

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

A way to separate fools from money.
He made them initially for his own use.



Iain,

Bit OT but I thought you might like to see this. Scamming musos just isn't
on, I'm glad he's been caught:

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-b...,2974132.story

Regards,

Mike

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Hi Iain, would you please email me a valid address? I have sent you a
couple of emails and they have all bounced.

Cheers Terry

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Iain Churches said:

Hmm. Just hd a thought. If the quantities become large
enough,
he could get Tasker, or Van Damme, or Nokia to make the
cables.
They will do so happily, and charge him for their
services.
Does that make them ****s?

Will they? Not with their brand names on.

Plenty people would say that most "high-end" cable producers
are dishonest, but in my view it doesn't make them ****s.
It's business and I quite like that. Anyway, apart from
their dubious performance benefits, their cables generally
do look and feel like serious pieces of kit and often use
quite exotic materials and quality manufacturing.

OTOH, if Mr Van Damme were to come to an audio newsgroup and
gloat about selling rubbish, that would make him a ****.

Three reasons IMO. First because it would be obviously,
foolishly, counter-productive; in wickyspeak, apparently,
"doing a Ratner":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_a_Ratner

Attached to this is the expectation that others in his peer
group would respond positively.

Second because as a celebration of the ignorance of others
it appears smug and conceited.

Third because I don't believe people are easily enough
fooled in large enough numbers for a scam to be a good bet
in most cases. Honest business is a much better bet for
clean money. I'm a communist, so I'm fervent in my faith in
market economics.

I still don't believe the story. He's pulling your leg.

Ian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:
Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get a
decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a large(ish)
job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid an hour for
one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with his toolkit which
included crimping tools for just about any connector you could name.


People seem to work for a lot less in the UK, especially
for "cash in hand" jobs with no receipt and no VAT.

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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
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Iain Churches said:

Hmm. Just hd a thought. If the quantities become large enough,
he could get Tasker, or Van Damme, or Nokia to make the cables.
They will do so happily, and charge him for their services.
Does that make them ****s?

Will they? Not with their brand names on.

Yes indeed. In a market driven economy, a manufacturer
will make you whatever you order, if the quantity is sufficient.

Plenty people would say that most "high-end" cable producers are
dishonest, but in my view it doesn't make them ****s. It's business and I
quite like that. Anyway, apart from their dubious performance benefits,
their cables generally do look and feel like serious pieces of kit and
often use quite exotic materials and quality manufacturing.

IMO manufacturing a "high-end" cable is not dishonest. But making false
claims for it certainly is. That is the distinction.

OTOH, if Mr Van Damme were to come to an audio newsgroup and gloat about
selling rubbish, that would make him a ****.

Has anyone gloated about selling rubbish? I think you are
getting a little over-excited here. Have you noticed by the way
the marked absence of audio designers and manufacturers from
groups like this one. Have you wondered why they never bother
to post here?

I still don't believe the story. He's pulling your leg.


We shall see. It is of no real consequence to me either way.
He is supposed to bring his pre-prod cable the
people concerned to have a look at, sometime next week.
If he doesn't show up, then your fears may be founded.

Iain