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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:26:07 GMT, "Ian Iveson"
wrote:

Third because I don't believe people are easily enough
fooled in large enough numbers for a scam to be a good bet
in most cases. Honest business is a much better bet for
clean money. I'm a communist, so I'm fervent in my faith in
market economics.

I still don't believe the story. He's pulling your leg.

He may be. But you don't have to look far into the audiophool world
to see such things seriously marketed. I imagine the ridiculously
inflated prices are regularly discounted by kindly dealers :-) But
it's still a scam.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Iain Churches wrote:

Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get a
decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a large(ish)
job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid an hour for
one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with his toolkit which
included crimping tools for just about any connector you could name.

That rate is not untypical. A installation guy I know pays his top notch wiremen
£250 daily.

Graham

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Iain Churches wrote:

"Ian Iveson" wrote

Plenty people would say that most "high-end" cable producers are
dishonest, but in my view it doesn't make them ****s. It's business and I
quite like that. Anyway, apart from their dubious performance benefits,
their cables generally do look and feel like serious pieces of kit and
often use quite exotic materials and quality manufacturing.

IMO manufacturing a "high-end" cable is not dishonest. But making false
claims for it certainly is. That is the distinction.

How would you define a high end cable ?

Graham

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On 2007-09-11, Iain Churches wrote:

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something
new. But he certainly does seem to have found
a market niche.

The idea (if I understand it correctly) has been on John Risch's website
for years. It does have slightly lower inductance than zip cable if
you need it but not too many cases do.

--
John Phillips

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"John Phillips" wrote in message
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The idea (if I understand it correctly) has been on John Risch's website
for years. It does have slightly lower inductance than zip cable if
you need it but not too many cases do.

Not only that, but there are far more practical means for obtaining lower
series inductance than zip cable. One of them has to do with simply using
coax as it is designed to be used, no fancy connections needed.

But your point that series inductance is frequently not an issue, is well
taken as well. The tweeter voice coil is inductive, too! ;-)

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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Iain Churches said:

Hmm. Just hd a thought. If the quantities become large enough,
he could get Tasker, or Van Damme, or Nokia to make the cables.
They will do so happily, and charge him for their services.
Does that make them ****s?

Will they? Not with their brand names on.

Plenty people would say that most "high-end" cable producers are
dishonest, but in my view it doesn't make them ****s. It's business and I
quite like that. Anyway, apart from their dubious performance benefits,
their cables generally do look and feel like serious pieces of kit and
often use quite exotic materials and quality manufacturing.

Fancy cables can deliver bragging rights in certain technically-ignorant
circles.

OTOH, if Mr Van Damme were to come to an audio newsgroup and gloat about
selling rubbish, that would make him a ****.

Three reasons IMO. First because it would be obviously, foolishly,
counter-productive; in wickyspeak, apparently, "doing a Ratner":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_a_Ratner

Agreed.

Attached to this is the expectation that others in his peer group would
respond positively.

Second because as a celebration of the ignorance of others it appears smug
and conceited.

Say "smug and conceited" three times almost anywhere in Europe and Iain
might come running! ;-)

Third because I don't believe people are easily enough fooled in large
enough numbers for a scam to be a good bet in most cases.

Judging by the amount of Monster Cable product that I see being remaindered
out in US electronics surplus markets...

Honest business is a much better bet for clean money. I'm a communist, so
I'm fervent in my faith in market economics.

Honesty is the best scam! ;-)

I still don't believe the story. He's pulling your leg.

Agreed.

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"Laurence Payne" NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com wrote in message
...

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:26:07 GMT, "Ian Iveson"
wrote:

Third because I don't believe people are easily enough
fooled in large enough numbers for a scam to be a good bet
in most cases. Honest business is a much better bet for
clean money. I'm a communist, so I'm fervent in my faith in
market economics.

I still don't believe the story. He's pulling your leg.

He may be. But you don't have to look far into the audiophool world
to see such things seriously marketed.

But we don't know about their profitability.

I imagine the ridiculously
inflated prices are regularly discounted by kindly dealers :-)

Of course - such a deal! ;-)

But it's still a scam.

Agreed.

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Iain Churches wrote:

"Ian Iveson" wrote

Plenty people would say that most "high-end" cable producers are
dishonest, but in my view it doesn't make them ****s. It's business and
I
quite like that. Anyway, apart from their dubious performance benefits,
their cables generally do look and feel like serious pieces of kit and
often use quite exotic materials and quality manufacturing.

IMO manufacturing a "high-end" cable is not dishonest. But making false
claims for it certainly is. That is the distinction.

How would you define a high end cable ?

I have no definition. It was the term used by Ian in the post
to which I replied.

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...

That rate is not untypical. A installation guy I know pays his top notch
wiremen
£250 daily.

While his own salary is tenfold?

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Iain Churches wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

That rate is not untypical. A installation guy I know pays his top notch
wiremen £250 daily.

While his own salary is tenfold?

No.

Graham