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Iain said:

How would you define a high end cable ?

I have no definition. It was the term used by Ian in the
post
to which I replied.

The first para of your original post:

"I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable."

Ian

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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
. uk...
Iain said:

How would you define a high end cable ?

I have no definition. It was the term used by Ian in the post
to which I replied.

The first para of your original post:

"I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable."


But that still leads me no nearer to the dfefinition
of a high end speaker cable. I use mains cable like
most sensible people.

I suspect if you replace the word "end" with the
word "price" then you might be close.

Iain

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:
Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get
a decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a
large(ish) job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid
an hour for one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with
his toolkit which included crimping tools for just about any connector
you could name.


People seem to work for a lot less in the UK, especially
for "cash in hand" jobs with no receipt and no VAT.

25 quid an hour is rather more than the national average rate for
supplying labour only for what - although a skilled job - isn't exactly
brain surgery. It equates to about 50k a year which many would be happy to
earn. Of course I realise you exotic recording engineers claim to earn
more...

--
*Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us. If someone
offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables, you would not be able
to get you fat little pensioners' legs under the bench fast enough!
And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get
a decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a
large(ish) job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid
an hour for one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with
his toolkit which included crimping tools for just about any connector
you could name.

That rate is not untypical. A installation guy I know pays his top notch
wiremen £250 daily.

Indeed. But $100 an hour would seem a tad excessive. Which probably just
shows the poor business model this fellow is using to make his fast buck.

--
*Sleep with a photographer and watch things develop

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Hmmm!
 

Ian Iveson wrote:

Iain said:

How would you define a high end cable ?

I have no definition. It was the term used by Ian in the
post to which I replied.

The first para of your original post:

"I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable."

Thank you for pointing that out.

Graham

Hmmm!
 

Iain Churches wrote:

"Ian Iveson" wrote
Iain said:

How would you define a high end cable ?

I have no definition. It was the term used by Ian in the post
to which I replied.

The first para of your original post:

"I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable."


But that still leads me no nearer to the dfefinition
of a high end speaker cable. I use mains cable like
most sensible people.

I suspect if you replace the word "end" with the
word "price" then you might be close.

There was an inference in your post(s) that 'high-end' cables had some perceived
benefit (other than fleecing the customer) though. Would you care to elaborate ?

Graham

Hmmm!
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us. If someone
offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables, you would not be able
to get you fat little pensioners' legs under the bench fast enough!
And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get
a decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a
large(ish) job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid
an hour for one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with
his toolkit which included crimping tools for just about any connector
you could name.

That rate is not untypical. A installation guy I know pays his top notch
wiremen £250 daily.

Indeed. But $100 an hour would seem a tad excessive. Which probably just
shows the poor business model this fellow is using to make his fast buck.

The sum was Euro 100 per hr. I only use USD for Arny's benefit.

Who knows. But, if what the entrepreneur says is true, and the cable
sells for Euro 25/metre, then a 3m length is Euro75 including sales tax
at 22%.. That makes a price of Euro 63 at VAT zero. Now supposing
he divides this into three, one share for the dealer, one share for himself
and the third for the maker, then they each get Euro 21. Now if the
technician can make five of these cables in 1 hour (and the chap
concerned says he can) then he will be at Euro 100/hr. I have left out the
cost of the materials, but they are not high. He may be planning to sell
direct, in which case there will be fewer hogs at the trough and more
to eat. I shall not be among them.

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Iain Churches wrote:

"Ian Iveson" wrote
Iain said:

How would you define a high end cable ?

I have no definition. It was the term used by Ian in the post
to which I replied.

The first para of your original post:

"I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable."


But that still leads me no nearer to the dfefinition
of a high end speaker cable. I use mains cable like
most sensible people.

I suspect if you replace the word "end" with the
word "price" then you might be close.

There was an inference in your post(s) that 'high-end' cables had some
perceived
benefit (other than fleecing the customer) though. Would you care to
elaborate ?

Please point me to the inference.
I am of the opinion that they have no perceived benefit.
I do however defend a persons right to buy such a
cable if he/she wishes to do so. Many do.

I have met a Swedish dealer who has a distribution
deal for screened mains cables. (something we discussed
here earlier) The 2m cable sells for Euro 800 incl tax.
There is a moderate but constant demand. The UK
is by far his biggest market. Bra, mykke bra!

Much cleansing to be done in your own backyard, Graham.

Iain



Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:
Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get
a decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a
large(ish) job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid
an hour for one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with
his toolkit which included crimping tools for just about any connector
you could name.


People seem to work for a lot less in the UK, especially
for "cash in hand" jobs with no receipt and no VAT.

25 quid an hour is rather more than the national average rate for
supplying labour only for what - although a skilled job - isn't exactly
brain surgery. It equates to about 50k a year which many would be happy to
earn. Of course I realise you exotic recording engineers claim to earn
more...

Indeed.
It's simply a case of supply and demand. In the UK, you have too
many people chasing the same gig. That pushes the price down.
I think you mentioned this yourself in relation to your own work,
Dave, especially after the demise of the ACCT or whatever it was
called.

The population of Sweden is ten million and Finland five miilion.
Of course the broadcast/recording output is also less, but not in
ratio to the difference in population. So, good people are in
demand and well paid.

Iain



--
*Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Iain Cherchus Born Autistic LIAR "



I am of the opinion that they have no perceived benefit.
I do however defend a persons right to buy such a
cable if he/she wishes to do so. Many do.


** Text book "Straw Man" false argument.


I have met a Swedish dealer who has a distribution
deal for screened mains cables. (something we discussed
here earlier) The 2m cable sells for Euro 800 incl tax.
There is a moderate but constant demand. The UK
is by far his biggest market. Bra, mykke bra!


** Text book " Red Herring" false argument.


Much cleansing to be done in your own backyard, Graham.


** A completely irrelevant taunt.


See: " Straw Men Burning " posted here on the 11th.





........ Phil