Why is "Andrew Joot" so poorly educated?
 

Andre Jute wrote:

That is why we have this thread, to explain to the three self-styled
"engineers" Graham Stevenson, Arny Krueger and Don Pearce that a Class
A amplifier must have its signal limited or it is no longer a Class A
amplifier.

Self-styled eh ?

At least we all had a proper technical education.

Whereas you're qualified as a journalist or something ? maybe ? What ARE your
qualifications Mr Joot ? Some arty-farty degree in History perhaps ? Enquiring
minds need to know.

Graham

What is an "engineer" (was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?)
 

"John Byrns" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
Andre Jute wrote:

You really have to wonder.

Here we have three self-proclaimed engineers claiming that Class A is
an amplification Class in which "the output device(s)never cease
conducting under any signal condition."

The three "engineers" in question are Graham "Poopie" Stevenson, Don
"Bluster" Pearce and Arny "I spoke in error" Krueger. Apparently they
are perfectly unable to understand, after they have been told so a
handful of times already, that "any signal condition" includes
overdrive which turns even the correct part of the definition into
absurd nonsense.

This raises the question of what is an engineer? The following are a
few of the many definitions I have heard.

1. The person responsible for the operation and maintenance of a
buildings infrastructure.

2. The person who drives a Train.

3. A person who has received an "engineering" degree from a University.

4. A person licensed to practice "engineering", similar to the way
Doctors and Lawyers are licensed.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

A lot of the problem with the term "engineer" in English stems from the use
of the word "engine" to mean a machine, consequently an engineer is
perceived by the general public to be someone who tends a machine. Hence
when my washing machine breaks down, Hotpoint send "an engineer", or it was
the "engineer" who greased the wheels of a steam engine on the railways.

However, I understand that the root of the word "engineer" is the same as
the word "ingenuity" and that consequently, an "engineer" is someone who
practices "ingenuity". That's why I have always been proud to be called an
"engineer", and why I complain to Hotpoint that they're sending me a fitter
or a mechanic, or at best a technician, not an "engineer".

S.



--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

What sort of physics is that? It is past time for us to haul up
Stevenson, Krueger and Pearce, and to explain to them sternly that
personalities cannot ever substitute for the principles of physics.

What it's time for is

A. for you to shut up.

B. for you to get an education in electronics.

Why, because he exposed you as someone who presents himself as an
expert, but in reality doesn't have a clue what he is talking about?


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

What is an "engineer" (was Why are "engineers" so poorlyeducated?)
 

John Byrns wrote:

This raises the question of what is an engineer? The following are a
few of the many definitions I have heard.

1. The person responsible for the operation and maintenance of a
buildings infrastructure.

2. The person who drives a Train.

US (and possibly Canada) usage only AFAIK. Elsewhere called a 'train driver'.

Graham

Why is "Andrew Joot" so poorly educated?
 

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

That is why we have this thread, to explain to the three self-styled
"engineers" Graham Stevenson, Arny Krueger and Don Pearce that a Class
A amplifier must have its signal limited or it is no longer a Class A
amplifier.

Self-styled eh ?

At least we all had a proper technical education.

That's far from obvious.

Whereas you're qualified as a journalist or something ? maybe ? What ARE your
qualifications Mr Joot ? Some arty-farty degree in History perhaps ?

I would like to think that what counts here is what we know, not what
degree(s) we may hold. There seems to be more than a bit of truth in
the idea that those that must flaunt the degree(s) they hold generally
fall towards the idiot end of the scale.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

On Oct 26, 6:44 am, Eeyore
wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Thomas Tornblom writes:

I am probably making a mistake, sticking my head into this, but
doesn't your statement:
---
Here we have three self-proclaimed engineers claiming that Class A is
an amplification Class in which "the output device(s)never cease
conducting under any signal condition."
---

fall flat when you consider that it is no longer a Class A amp if you
drive it outside of the designed range?

Absolutely.

More broadly, specification of the input signal range is part of the
amplifier design and is impacted by, among other things, the choice of
the class of operation it is intended to operate in.

Clearly for audio, operation into clipping / cut-off etc is excluded by context.

It is excluded by context when you leave off "under any signal
condition" or when you add the *further*qualification "which does not
exceed Class A boundaries". This entire folderol was created by your
clumsy and crude attempt to support Multi-grid in a wrongheaded
argument with me. You're a fool, Poopie.

And Poopie, you really should consider remedial English comprehension
classes if your education doesn't even fit you to understand that
"under any signal condition" is an unlimited, sky-high open sesame to
abuse.

Graham

Andre Jute
Zero tolerance for the enemies of fidelity

Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

John Byrns wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

What sort of physics is that? It is past time for us to haul up
Stevenson, Krueger and Pearce, and to explain to them sternly that
personalities cannot ever substitute for the principles of physics.

What it's time for is

A. for you to shut up.

B. for you to get an education in electronics.

Why, because he exposed you as someone who presents himself as an
expert, but in reality doesn't have a clue what he is talking about?

Oh FFS !

What are you ? Some kind of MORON ? Or just a sockpuppet ?

Graham

Spitting on Newton's gravee (was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?)
 

On Oct 26, 6:45 am, Eeyore
wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:18 am, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
I am probably making a mistake, sticking my head into this, but
doesn't your statement:
---
Here we have three self-proclaimed engineers claiming that Class A is
an amplification Class in which "the output device(s)never cease
conducting under any signal condition."
---

fall flat when you consider that it is no longer a Class A amp if you
drive it outside of the designed range?

Exactly. I'm pointing out the idiocy of Messrs Stevenson, Krueger and
Pearce in negating their definition within the same sentence: "the
output device(s)never cease conducting under any signal condition."
That's not my statement, hence the quotation marks: it's their
statement. They have several times repeated that silly statement and
hotly defended it with personal abuse.

You're the miserable ****ing abusive (and stupid. ingorant, pontlessly
argumentative) one here Joot.

You're missing the point, Poopie. There is a certain decency in
physics, as in society, which we honour by paying attention to the
very words of the classical definitions, and new definitions when they
achieve general acceptance. You spat on Newton's grave when for your
personal, petty purposes you crudely redefined a classic definiton.
Arny Krueger and Don Pearce stood beside you and spat on Newton's
grave.

Now you've been caught out and you're abusive about it. You're scum,
and so are Krueger and Pearce.

By those criteria NOTHING is Class A, so we can all stop talking about it now.

You're right. Your malicious qualification "under any signal
condition" makes Class A impossible. I'm glad you now admit it. Will
you also apologize for your offensive behaviour and for wasting so
much of our time? Can we expect apologies from Krueger and Pearce as
well for spitting on Newton's grave?

Graham

Andre Jute
Zero tolerance for the enemies of science

What is an "engineer" (was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?)
 

=On Oct 26, 6:58 am, John Byrns wrote:
In article .com,
Andre Jute wrote:

You really have to wonder.

Here we have three self-proclaimed engineers claiming that Class A is
an amplification Class in which "the output device(s)never cease
conducting under any signal condition."

The three "engineers" in question are Graham "Poopie" Stevenson, Don
"Bluster" Pearce and Arny "I spoke in error" Krueger. Apparently they
are perfectly unable to understand, after they have been told so a
handful of times already, that "any signal condition" includes
overdrive which turns even the correct part of the definition into
absurd nonsense.

This raises the question of what is an engineer? The following are a
few of the many definitions I have heard.

1. The person responsible for the operation and maintenance of a
buildings infrastructure.

2. The person who drives a Train.

3. A person who has received an "engineering" degree from a University.

4. A person licensed to practice "engineering", similar to the way
Doctors and Lawyers are licensed.

Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

Hell, the guy who carries away my trash is a "garbage disposal
engineer", presumably because he works on a big dumpster -- see Serge
Auckland's funny-sad post.

If engineers are supposed to exhibit ingenuity, as Serge so plausibly
says, then I would pick several present and past RAT contributors
known not to have engineering degrees as fitting to be called
engineers long, long before I would pick Arny Krueger or Don Pearce,
who strike me as exceedingly dull fellows, paragons of pedanticism
without a spark of invention, and I would *never* pick Graham Poopie
Stevenson if someone (himself!) didn't tell me that Poopie claims to
be an engineer.

Of course there are some members of these conferences with engineering
degrees that one would instantly pick; I apologize to them for the
offence of including binmen in their noble calling.

Andre Jute
Impedance is futile, you will be simulated into the triode of the
Borg. -- Robert Casey

What is an "engineer" (was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?)
 

This raises the question of what is an engineer? The
following are a
few of the many definitions I have heard.

1. The person responsible for the operation and maintenance
of a
buildings infrastructure.

2. The person who drives a Train.

3. A person who has received an "engineering" degree from a
University.

4. A person licensed to practice "engineering", similar to
the way
Doctors and Lawyers are licensed.

Regards,

John Byrns

To advertise engineering services in any of the 50 united
states takes #4 above. Registration with the professional
engineering board of the state you offer service in. It is a
crime to offer services or practice electrical engineering
without a the license.

I am a registered professional electrical engineer in
California.

peace
dawg