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In article , Zipper
writes
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:20:11 +0000, Bernard Hill
wrote:

Sir, you are being abusive. Please desist.

Drop dead you english prick.

I suspect I attend and am involved in more funerals than you,

Mass murderer?

ince I
play the organ for them all in my church,

Being english it's much more likely you played WITH your organ in
church.

so have considerable sympathy
for the bereaved. My comments were in fact aimed at the church, whose
responsibility it is to attend to these copyright matters.

So just how many churchs did you reach on rec.musicmakers.bagpipe you
fukin' moron?

I merely answered a post on music.misc.uk. I had not noticed that it was
cross-posted, perhaps I should have done.

Insults against the English do not touch me. If you had bothered to look
at my signature you will see I do not live in England.

Bernard Hill
Selkirk, Scotland

In article , Zipper
writes
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:25:07 +0000, Bernard Hill
wrote:

Certainly nothing: but the point is that the church would want to be
aware of these issues and they may well not be.

Look dumbass, they aren't aware because here in the USA we don't give
a rats ass about petty-ante crap like you arseholes do.

Now I know that's not true. I have many contacts in the USA whom I call
friends, and they do not share the same sentiments as you.

Bernard Hill
Selkirk, Scotland

In article , -=ô;ö=-
writes
Drop it Bernard...you are being "Trolled" quite effectively here..

Could be. I am just rather intrigued as to how far this poster will go.
It's all rather amusing and I do *not* take the comments seriously.

However, I think the time _has_ come to drop it. I suspect other posters
are getting tired and have dropped this thread :-)

Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

In article , Kurt Hamster
writes
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:23:16 +0000, Bernard Hill used
to say...

I can't remember ever coming across anyone so abusive as you: you have
gone down in my estimation I fear.

You must be a Usenet neophyte then.

No. Just that I tend to pick and choose the ngs to which I post. But
sadly I have been sucked into a large cross-posting.

Anyway, not to worry, my posts on this topic are coming to an end.

Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

In article , Keith G
writes

"Bernard Hill" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
writes

snippage

If the church and Funeral Director concerned haven't already taken the
necessary steps to 'legitimise' this sort of thing (given its apparent
prevalence) then it's bloody time they did!

Agreed there. But they may not be aware of the issue. I know my church
isn't.

That's a bit of an admission isn't it? Don't you think it would be a
positive step if you put them in the picture?

It would be only if there were any call for recorded music to be played.
There has not been in the 10 years I've been assisting at funerals. The
day it is requested I will ring up the licencing authorities and add it
to the licence. Seems silly to pay for something which is not being
used.

more snippage

Really? You should know better then! - 'Music software'??? - You're a
tiny
part of the whole bloody problem yourself, aren't you?

Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

Er, why is that? I create and sell a music publishing system - ie one in
which you put your own compositions on paper. And in the literature and
web site it clearly warns you to have permission to do any work on
anyone else's music.

OK, not involved in the 'digitisation' of music as such, but you can still
be numbered among those who are generally involved with music, computers and
the Internet for financial gain.

Certainly. It's my sole income. Is that wrong?

I behave quite honourably on this (I hope) - as you would expect since I
earn my living by creating copyrighted material. On the closing screen
of my software it says "Please ensure that all music printed with Music
Publisher is free of composer's or other copyright". Anyway it's my
experience that musicians are acutely aware of the problems and justice
of copyright and keep to the rules. But churches often are not and
that's the point at issue.

AFAIC the music for my partner's mum's
funeral (having been ordered and paid for and which may yet turn up in time,
according the Amazon's tracking information) is 'licensed'. Whether or not
the church and/or FD is licensed to broadcast it to a limited audience (and
whether or not either of them raise that issue) remains to be seen.

Where does this end? - Do I need a broadcast license to play a piece of
music to friends and members of my own family (for free) anywhere else other
than in a church?

Not normally. Unless you were charging for the event.

(Oil rigs and prisons, hopefully, not likely to be
included in the forseeable future....)

:-)

The terms of the licence you have for your CDs are usually printed on
the CD or notes somewhere. The problem is that a church is a public
place, not a private one.

Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland