"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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In the case of my son, his kit (Technics/B&W) masks any differences
between CD and LP

Interesting comment. In my experience the difference between CD and LP is
obvious even on the most lowly of kit.


My suspicion is that many/most people who don't 'get it' with vinyl is
because they've never heard it on anything like a halfway decent setup....

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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In the case of my son, his kit (Technics/B&W) masks any differences
between CD and LP

Interesting comment. In my experience the difference between CD and LP is
obvious even on the most lowly of kit.


My suspicion is that many/most people who don't 'get it' with vinyl is
because they've never heard it on anything like a halfway decent setup....

Another interesting comment, as it appears to directly contradict your
earlier one :-)

It is certainly the case that the difference between a cheap and an
expensive record player is far more significant than that between a cheap
and an expensive CD player. But even the very best record player cannot
sound better than the master tape, and since a competently mastered CD
sounds essentially identical to the master tape.....

David.

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Keith G wrote:

In the case of my son, his kit (Technics/B&W) masks any differences
between
CD and LP but he prefers *playing* the LPs and is a collector of various
types of vinyl specialities (picture discs, promos &c.)...

What is there to enjoy about *playing* LPs ? It's an utter chore.


So's peeling vegetables - stupid really, when you could just open a
can....

What a daft comment. Do you prefer *peeling* potatoes to opening a can?

David.

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Keith G wrote:

In the case of my son, his kit (Technics/B&W) masks any differences
between
CD and LP but he prefers *playing* the LPs and is a collector of
various
types of vinyl specialities (picture discs, promos &c.)...

What is there to enjoy about *playing* LPs ? It's an utter chore.


So's peeling vegetables - stupid really, when you could just open a
can....

What a daft comment. Do you prefer *peeling* potatoes to opening a can?


Yes, of course - but you obviously don't.....

TV dinners and a CD playing? (Sounds like heaven on earth!)

Enjoy...

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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In the case of my son, his kit (Technics/B&W) masks any differences
between CD and LP

Interesting comment. In my experience the difference between CD and LP
is obvious even on the most lowly of kit.


My suspicion is that many/most people who don't 'get it' with vinyl is
because they've never heard it on anything like a halfway decent
setup....

Another interesting comment, as it appears to directly contradict your
earlier one :-)


What comment is that?



It is certainly the case that the difference between a cheap and an
expensive record player is far more significant than that between a cheap
and an expensive CD player. But even the very best record player cannot
sound better than the master tape, and since a competently mastered CD
sounds essentially identical to the master tape.....



David, all that mastertape horse**** was dealt and dispensed with in here
years ago - here's a hint: If you don't *know*, don't guess....

David Looser wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote
"Eeyore" wrote
Arny Krueger wrote:

There is no chance that there is anything wrong with the
sound of the CD format since it is sonically transparent.

No help to those who actively seek colouration though.
Same as valve amps. The two ( liking valves and LPs)
seem to go hand-in-hand which strongly suggests to me
that those people like a strongly coloured sound.

I think that sentimentality, a desire to be different for the sake of
being different, and gettting attention is behind most of the adamant LP
preference we see expressed around here.

Hey, I like vintage technology too! I've got a collection of valve TV sets,
old telephones, a telephone repeater panel dating from 1924 and all sorts of
other items ("junk" as my wife calls it :-( )

And you must admit that there is something about steam railway locos that
modern electric ones just don't have. Why shouldn't the vinyl and valve-amp
brigade have their fun?

Yes but have you seen some of the diesels the railways nuts have now ? There are
several Deltics that have been restored and are still in operation and even some
Class 44s , 45s and 46s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_55
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_44
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_46

The Class 45s used to work the local line. I well recall one of those hauling a
train from St Pancras to St Albans (32 km exactly) in 16 minutes. An AVERAGE
speed of 120 km/h or 75 mph.

Graham

David Looser wrote:

"Keith G" wrote
"David Looser" wrote
"Keith G" wrote

In the case of my son, his kit (Technics/B&W) masks any differences
between CD and LP

Interesting comment. In my experience the difference between CD and LP is
obvious even on the most lowly of kit.


My suspicion is that many/most people who don't 'get it' with vinyl is
because they've never heard it on anything like a halfway decent setup....

Another interesting comment, as it appears to directly contradict your
earlier one :-)

It is certainly the case that the difference between a cheap and an
expensive record player is far more significant than that between a cheap
and an expensive CD player. But even the very best record player cannot
sound better than the master tape, and since a competently mastered CD
sounds essentially identical to the master tape.....

Modern recordings don't even have master tapes of course.

Graham

David Looser wrote:

"Keith G" wrote
"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:

In the case of my son, his kit (Technics/B&W) masks any differences
between
CD and LP but he prefers *playing* the LPs and is a collector of various
types of vinyl specialities (picture discs, promos &c.)...

What is there to enjoy about *playing* LPs ? It's an utter chore.


So's peeling vegetables - stupid really, when you could just open a
can....

What a daft comment. Do you prefer *peeling* potatoes to opening a can?

I prefer eating them with their skins on. Supposed to be more nutritious too.

Graahm

Keith G wrote:

"David Looser" wrote

It is certainly the case that the difference between a cheap and an
expensive record player is far more significant than that between a cheap
and an expensive CD player. But even the very best record player cannot
sound better than the master tape, and since a competently mastered CD
sounds essentially identical to the master tape.....

David, all that mastertape horse**** was dealt and dispensed with in here
years ago - here's a hint: If you don't *know*, don't guess....

What 'master tape' horse**** is this ?

Graham

Keith G wrote:

"David Looser" wrote in message

What a daft comment. Do you prefer *peeling* potatoes to opening a can?

Yes, of course - but you obviously don't.....

TV dinners and a CD playing? (Sounds like heaven on earth!)

Since when did an unpeeled tatty have any relationship to a 'TV dinner' ?

Graham