"Rob" wrote in message
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I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music,
and towards some sort of maths.

Nonsense. Listening to music is listening to music, and mathematics is
mathematics. It is possible to do mathematics while listening to music. It
is also possible to manage some attributes of reproduced music by means of
applied mathematics.

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


But you can turn a loudness control on or off. The
random tone varations you get from a SET or the LP
format are there, take it or leave them.

You're hearing 'random tone variations'now?

You'd hear them too, were you able to engage your brain to your ears.

Wot next - messages from outer space?

Now there is a comment from outerspace, if there ever was one.

I have no problems with that. I do have problems with
solved technical problems being pushed down my throat as
the next great thing in audio.

As a Yank who has long overstayed his welcome in a Brit
newsgroup (and naused off all the nice, Brit people that
used to be here), there is a *blindingly simple* way you
can avoid further incidences of that....

Ahh, Keith plays the xenophobia card.

He's getting despirate, now.

John Phillips wrote:
On 2009-04-23, Rob wrote:
I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some
sort of maths.

Rob, just for the record (and I am sure you appreciate this but I am
responding to the words above) it's perfectly possible to enjoy the music
while also enjoying the maths and the engineering of music reproduction.

Actually http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.audio.html, the current charter
of this newsgroup says:

"uk.rec.audio is an unmoderated newsgroup. It is primarily a forum
for discussion of hi-fi equipment available in the UK, a place for
independant reviews and opinions on hi-fi, and an advice centre
for those bitten by the upgrade bug. It may include discussions on
what hi-fi is trying to do (accurately reproduce music? a 'live'
acoustic?) and its development. It is also a site for the private
sale and exchange of used hi-fi components."

This seems to place more emphasis on the equipment than the music.

I am sure there are those who don't care what the charter says and
will post what they believe is on topic according to their interests.
I am happy to appreciate people's specific interests and to enjoy posts
that are interesting and at least near to the topic.

However, my point is that if people are sticking to the topic as I
interpret it then it may well appear as you write but not, in fact, be so.


I would suggest that on occasion the empirical (positivist, numerical)
argument overtakes the discussion of using equipment to listen to music.

Quite 'what comes out' (of the speakers etc.) is simply an irrelevance
for some, if a part of the chain (source, amplifier) doesn't confirm to
a manner of mathematical precision.

Hence chucking around the term 'distortion' - as if it's necessarily a
barrier to enjoying music. In so far as I understand what 'distortion'
is (and I don't think it's any one thing, or even a suitable term all
the time) that opinion is open to challenge.


In any case, just as it's OK to enjoy listening to music without enjoying
the maths and the engineering, its equally OK for people to enjoy things
in the opposite way.

Sorry to pick on your post but it's recently got quite contentious in
here and I wondered if maybe some broader perspective could advantageously
be injected?


No, that's fine, your comments are welcome. It's just hotted up a little
in here because I should be working (always a time I resort to NGs!) and
a certain Keith has found a little spare time. The point of my comment
was in fact to try and broaden the discussion - not contain, or worse,
close it.

It'll settle down in a moment, and we'll be back to 3 posts a week about
speaker cables :-)

Rob

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message


People who struggle to not talk over my head seem
in my bewildered brain
to use the word 'distortion' like some
people use the words 'monosodium glutamate' - fine,
nothing on the planet exists without distortion; the
thing is not to get caught on the 'audible distortion'
horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some
people can taste the monosodium glutamate in pork
pies....

Not being in the UK I have no idea how easy it is to taste MSG in pork
pies. However MSG does have a characteristic flavor, and is clearly
noticable when used in sufficient concentrations.


Stoppit FFS...



If Keith you are saying that you can't hear the readily audible noise and
distortion that is inherent in things you seem to fancy like SET
amplifiers and LPs, then I have no problem believing that to be true.


Good.



As you seem to conceive of the word "distortion" Keith, it is indeed utter
crap. It's a concept that very many people can understand, but one that we
tirelessly explain and you tirelessly ignore.


Yes, because I don't *hear* distortion - I'm not looking to hear it.

Frankly, if it was a piece I knew well, the amp could die and it would
probably be a few minutes before I noticed and, if you promise not to tell
anyone, I'll even admit that I never notice when a furball has built up on
the 'needle' until my other half tells me....

:-)

It's really a question of *getting into the music* and not listening to the
bloody equipment, but I really don't expect you to be able to relate to
that....



For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down
the chins of the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of
people can still be bothered to climb over the *digital
desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from playing
LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that
the bashers can't stop going on about!

It's not about bashing these things Keith, its about knowing that there is
generally no need for music lovers to bother with them. Their day has come
and gone.


Sez you....

Answer me this - when I am here on my own with nobody watching, nobody
taking notes, nobody telling tales, why do I put a record on 99 times out of
a hundred and not a CD? Actually, make that 199 times out of 200....

??

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote


As a Yank who has long overstayed his welcome in a Brit
newsgroup (and naused off all the nice, Brit people that
used to be here), there is a *blindingly simple* way you
can avoid further incidences of that....

Ahh, Keith plays the xenophobia card.

He's getting despirate, now.


Getting what? (Again: No typo, Arny baby - keys too far apart...)

Anyway, not at all - you being a foreigner has nothing to do with it

Your bigotry and propensity to continually try to 'put people right' (a
laugh in itself) is what has made you unpopular here. In fact, I do believe
you got cut a lot more slack because you are a Yank than most Eurotrash*
would have - Brits with memories know the Yanks were (eventually) on our
side in the *big one* while most Euros were most definitely not and, to top
it all, they have recently become bold and lippy due to the current **** UK
leadership making it look like we are *all* complete pushovers here, but I
digress...

The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of here a
while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and a couple of
others) continually bashing it. I know this because a number of them have
kept in touch - they are 'nice Brits (unlike me) who prefer not to address
unpleasantness in their leisure activites.

Know what I mean? ;-)


* That's most, not all and does not include the one or two that I know to
have posted here over the recent years.....

"Rob" wrote


No, that's fine, your comments are welcome. It's just hotted up a little
in here because I should be working (always a time I resort to NGs!) and a
certain Keith has found a little spare time. The point of my comment was
in fact to try and broaden the discussion - not contain, or worse, close
it.


You are right that, after a couple of people had mentioned how dead it was
in here, I hooked up again to froth up a little activity. Seems to be
working...??

:-)


It'll settle down in a moment, and we'll be back to 3 posts a week about
speaker cables :-)


Sadly, I suspect it will sooner or later - it don't seem to want to 'pick
up and run'...??

(Maybe the plugs need cleaning! :-)

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote


You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns
with 'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The
best speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's
toy now?


Still with the *milkman* fixation, Plowie? (Is he good-looking or
summat?)

Oh - sorry was it the postman? Each new piece of kit you got always
impressed someone or other. You obviously realised few here would take
*your* word for it.


Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back.
More fantasies, I assume?


Do people always *flounce* out of your life? (Did your milkman
*flounce*...???)

What happens when they show up again - do they *flounce* back in? (Me,
not the milkman - don't get your hopes up....)

How would you describe your departure, Kitty? It certainly wasn't graceful.

--
*I pretend to work. - they pretend to pay me.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of
here a while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and
a couple of others) continually bashing it. I know this because a
number of them have kept in touch - they are 'nice Brits (unlike me)
who prefer not to address unpleasantness in their leisure activites.

Wish you were more like them, then. Since you've reappeared, so have the
insults.

Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical
qualities to it. Same as all your fads. Sensible points or questions tend
to get sensible answers.

--
*Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:


Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical
qualities to it.

I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the
fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people
"vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote


You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns
with 'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The
best speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's
toy now?


Still with the *milkman* fixation, Plowie? (Is he good-looking or
summat?)

Oh - sorry was it the postman? Each new piece of kit you got always
impressed someone or other. You obviously realised few here would take
*your* word for it.



Bull****.



Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back.
More fantasies, I assume?


Do people always *flounce* out of your life? (Did your milkman
*flounce*...???)

What happens when they show up again - do they *flounce* back in? (Me,
not the milkman - don't get your hopes up....)

How would you describe your departure, Kitty? It certainly wasn't
graceful.


More bull****.

You really are clutching at straws, aren't you Poochie??