"Rob" wrote in message
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Hey Rob! Suddenly, I can see your posts! Have you changed anything?


They're both routes to the same thing - creating a pleasing and perhaps
realistic and natural sound. Arny's just using 'distortion' as a catch-all
pejorative. I'm using the word in a different way.


Arny and Poochie use the word 'distortion' like some people use the words
'monosodium glutamate' - fine, nothing on the planet exists without
distortion; the thing is not to get caught on the 'audible distortion'
horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some people can taste
the monosodium glutamate in pork pies....

For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of the
bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered to
climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from
playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the bashers
can't stop going on about!

Good innit?

:-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote


But you can turn a loudness control on or off. The random tone varations
you get from a SET or the LP format are there, take it or leave them.


You're hearing 'random tone variations'now? Wot next - messages from outer
space?


I have no problems with that. I do have problems with solved technical
problems being pushed down my throat as the next great thing in audio.


As a Yank who has long overstayed his welcome in a Brit newsgroup (and
naused off all the nice, Brit people that used to be here), there is a
*blindingly simple* way you can avoid further incidences of that....

Keith G wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
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Hey Rob! Suddenly, I can see your posts! Have you changed anything?


Nothing - curious.


They're both routes to the same thing - creating a pleasing and
perhaps realistic and natural sound. Arny's just using 'distortion' as
a catch-all pejorative. I'm using the word in a different way.


Arny and Poochie use the word 'distortion' like some people use the
words 'monosodium glutamate' - fine, nothing on the planet exists
without distortion; the thing is not to get caught on the 'audible
distortion' horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some
people can taste the monosodium glutamate in pork pies....

For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of
the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered
to climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment
from playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the
bashers can't stop going on about!

Good innit?

:-)


I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some
sort of maths.

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...


Hey Rob! Suddenly, I can see your posts! Have you changed anything?


Nothing - curious.


Weird - I've changed nothing here, either...

??


For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of the
bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered to
climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from
playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the
bashers can't stop going on about!


I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some
sort of maths.


Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever since
I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a *taboo*
topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO, but there ya
go!

There's only one equation that means anything to me - I've got LPs and play
them all the time; I've got CDs and almost never play them....

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever
since I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a
*taboo* topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO,
but there ya go!

Talk about paranoid. But of course since all *you* want to discuss is the
crankiest of audio subjects surely a group dedicated to your special needs
would be more suitable? Oh - but there is one. uk.rec.audio.vinyl Can't
remember the last post to that which wasn't an ad.

There's only one equation that means anything to me - I've got LPs and
play them all the time; I've got CDs and almost never play them....

There are people who believe the earth is flat too.

--
*Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever
since I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a
*taboo* topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO,
but there ya go!

Talk about paranoid.


I'm not the one in a lather - look in the mirror....


But of course since all *you* want to discuss is the
crankiest of audio subjects surely a group dedicated to your special needs
would be more suitable? Oh - but there is one. uk.rec.audio.vinyl Can't
remember the last post to that which wasn't an ad.


I don't want to discuss vinyl (when do I ever?) and the place I don't want
to discuss it is here. The vinyl group was *flypaper* to attract you and the
other bashers.

Which it did....

Day 1....

:-)

On 2009-04-23, Rob wrote:
I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some
sort of maths.

Rob, just for the record (and I am sure you appreciate this but I am
responding to the words above) it's perfectly possible to enjoy the music
while also enjoying the maths and the engineering of music reproduction.

Actually http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.audio.html, the current charter
of this newsgroup says:

"uk.rec.audio is an unmoderated newsgroup. It is primarily a forum
for discussion of hi-fi equipment available in the UK, a place for
independant reviews and opinions on hi-fi, and an advice centre
for those bitten by the upgrade bug. It may include discussions on
what hi-fi is trying to do (accurately reproduce music? a 'live'
acoustic?) and its development. It is also a site for the private
sale and exchange of used hi-fi components."

This seems to place more emphasis on the equipment than the music.

I am sure there are those who don't care what the charter says and
will post what they believe is on topic according to their interests.
I am happy to appreciate people's specific interests and to enjoy posts
that are interesting and at least near to the topic.

However, my point is that if people are sticking to the topic as I
interpret it then it may well appear as you write but not, in fact, be so.

In any case, just as it's OK to enjoy listening to music without enjoying
the maths and the engineering, its equally OK for people to enjoy things
in the opposite way.

Sorry to pick on your post but it's recently got quite contentious in
here and I wondered if maybe some broader perspective could advantageously
be injected?

Regards

John
--
John Phillips

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever
since I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a
*taboo* topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO,
but there ya go!

Talk about paranoid.


I'm not the one in a lather - look in the mirror....


You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns with
'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The best
speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's toy now?

But of course since all *you* want to discuss is the
crankiest of audio subjects surely a group dedicated to your special
needs would be more suitable? Oh - but there is one.
uk.rec.audio.vinyl Can't remember the last post to that which wasn't
an ad.


I don't want to discuss vinyl (when do I ever?) and the place I don't
want to discuss it is here.

Right...

The vinyl group was *flypaper* to attract you and the other bashers.

You certainly have one of the most warped minds I've come across. Had it
been successful, of course, your 'reasons' would have been different.

Which it did....

Day 1....

:-)

Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back. More
fantasies, I assume?

--
*I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote


You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns with
'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The best
speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's toy now?


Still with the *milkman* fixation, Plowie? (Is he good-looking or summat?)


Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back. More
fantasies, I assume?


Do people always *flounce* out of your life? (Did your milkman
*flounce*...???)

What happens when they show up again - do they *flounce* back in? (Me, not
the milkman - don't get your hopes up....)



--
*I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you


Uh oh - he's thinks I'm his *milkman* again...

"Keith G" wrote in message


People who struggle to not talk over my head seem
in my bewildered brain
to use the word 'distortion' like some
people use the words 'monosodium glutamate' - fine,
nothing on the planet exists without distortion; the
thing is not to get caught on the 'audible distortion'
horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some
people can taste the monosodium glutamate in pork
pies....

Not being in the UK I have no idea how easy it is to taste MSG in pork pies.
However MSG does have a characteristic flavor, and is clearly noticable when
used in sufficient concentrations.

If Keith you are saying that you can't hear the readily audible noise and
distortion that is inherent in things you seem to fancy like SET amplifiers
and LPs, then I have no problem believing that to be true.

As you seem to conceive of the word "distortion" Keith, it is indeed utter
crap. It's a concept that very many people can understand, but one that we
tirelessly explain and you tirelessly ignore.

For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down
the chins of the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of
people can still be bothered to climb over the *digital
desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from playing
LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that
the bashers can't stop going on about!

It's not about bashing these things Keith, its about knowing that there is
generally no need for music lovers to bother with them. Their day has come
and gone.