" "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Can you, Iain?



The prof at the Tonmeister exam was satisfied that I could:-)


Yet another monotonous *Iain shreds Poochie with consummate ease again*
post....

Ho hum....

LOL!

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tony sayer wrote:
Makes me wonder if you've ever listened to R4 on DAB. The pips are
pretty clean. Sine wave at that frequency isn't a problem even at the
sadly low kbps. But it very often is on FM - especially when reception
isn't perfect.

I gave up with the DAB tuner quite somewhile ago and now use satellite
or FM feeds for "serious" listening. Some of the European sat stuff is
excellent especially France Musique and Bayern Klassik from Germany just
a pity that old auntie BBC would stop the old DAB dogma and up her rates
on satellite which is an excellent distribution medium for Fixed use.

I mainly listen to R4 when doing things around the house, and already have
a choice of FM, DAB and FreeView audio on the distribution system. Don't
think I could be arsed adding satellite - although I could do from the
main system.

We do have a DAB receiver which is a DTV and DAB one but its hardly ever
gets used, we find the TV on Sat that bit cleaner than DTV Freeview
FWIW..

I've got an HD satellite box which also has a FreeView tuner (can upscale
both to HD parameters) - and can't say I've noticed any real differences
between the SD stuff on either. But then I may not watch the same channels
as you.

Did you ever get that odd problem with R4 sorted?..

Oh as usual it gets sorted when someone pulls their finger out.

Which they don't seeming do of their own accord as they once did..

Indeed. Seems to be a fact of life these days.


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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Keith G wrote:

" "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Can you, Iain?



The prof at the Tonmeister exam was satisfied that I could:-)


Yet another monotonous *Iain shreds Poochie with consummate ease again*
post....

If it can be done it's a statement of arrogance to assume others can't.

Ho hum....

LOL!

Thought only the lowest form of pond life used 'LOL' on Usenet...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Keith G wrote:



LOL!

Thought only the lowest form of pond life used 'LOL' on Usenet...


Maybe...

Heard the news today, Plowie?

Unless, I've got it wrong, we can relax because the Home Office (aka the
Squirrel Farm) isn't going to monitor our every phone call and email, after
all....

.....instead, they are going to outsource it to the private sector....

......(no doubt because the Civil Service is too busy totting up their
pensions on a daily basis and couldn't, in any case, find their own arses
with both hands)....

.....who, driven by the overwhelming need for maximisation of profit, will
employ the cheapest possible labour available.....

.....which means we will soon be monitored by foreigners (immigrants) in our
own homeland.....

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

" "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Can you, Iain?



The prof at the Tonmeister exam was satisfied that I could:-)


Yet another monotonous *Iain shreds Poochie with consummate ease again*
post....

If it can be done it's a statement of arrogance to assume others can't.

Of course they can:-) Many have been trained to do so,
as a part of a specialised curriculum. Have you tried?

My neighbour is a specialist in cranial surgery - it would be
presumptious of me (or you too for that matter, Dave) to
assume that either of us can perform the same feats as he.


Iain

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

" "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Can you, Iain?



The prof at the Tonmeister exam was satisfied that I could:-)


Yet another monotonous *Iain shreds Poochie with consummate ease again*
post....

If it can be done it's a statement of arrogance to assume others can't.

Of course they can:-) Many have been trained to do so,
as a part of a specialised curriculum. Have you tried?

My neighbour is a specialist in cranial surgery - it would be
presumptious of me (or you too for that matter, Dave) to
assume that either of us can perform the same feats as he.


My experience of life is that there is usually a gap between what people
think they can do and what they actually can do - especially when it comes
to anything to do with the senses, which I believe are easily fooled.

I've had a lot of fun in the recent past with stuff like turning speakers
back to front while the listener was listening blindfolded, fading sources
playing the same thing, fading speaker/amplifier pairs on a shared source
&c. - I didn't keep records or compile stats, but I'd say as a rule of thumb
more than 90% of people have no idea after even only a short while when
making direct AB comparisons and that such comparisons are a waste of time
for anything other than night and day differences.

If/when I have to choose between two bits of kit I just use them both, swap
them in and out over a period of time and see which wins. As to *untrained*
people being able to spot the difference in the musical instruments you
mention in the manner you describe, my money would be on very few (if any)
people outside the music or recording professions being able to do it.....

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Iain Churches wrote:

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

" "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Can you, Iain?



The prof at the Tonmeister exam was satisfied that I could:-)


Yet another monotonous *Iain shreds Poochie with consummate ease
again* post....

If it can be done it's a statement of arrogance to assume others can't.

Of course they can:-) Many have been trained to do so, as a part of a
specialised curriculum. Have you tried?

You should be asking Arny that since you directed the comment at him.

My neighbour is a specialist in cranial surgery - it would be
presumptious of me (or you too for that matter, Dave) to
assume that either of us can perform the same feats as he.

More arrogance. But sadly typical of Tonmeisters.

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*I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Keith G wrote:
My experience of life is that there is usually a gap between what people
think they can do and what they actually can do - especially when it
comes to anything to do with the senses, which I believe are easily
fooled.

Right. Back to your milkman again.

I've had a lot of fun in the recent past with stuff like turning
speakers back to front while the listener was listening blindfolded,
fading sources playing the same thing, fading speaker/amplifier pairs
on a shared source &c. - I didn't keep records or compile stats, but
I'd say as a rule of thumb more than 90% of people have no idea after
even only a short while when making direct AB comparisons and that such
comparisons are a waste of time for anything other than night and day
differences.

You've already said that listening to your music in another room from your
speakers sounds just fine to you.

If/when I have to choose between two bits of kit I just use them both,
swap them in and out over a period of time and see which wins. As to
*untrained* people being able to spot the difference in the musical
instruments you mention in the manner you describe, my money would be
on very few (if any) people outside the music or recording professions
being able to do it.....

Being able to identify instruments (or whatever) in a mix is one of the
most basic requirements of sound mixing. You have to know which fader
requires a waggle.

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*Honk if you love peace and quiet*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Keith G" wrote


My experience of life is that there is usually a gap between what people
think they can do and what they actually can do - especially when it comes
to anything to do with the senses, which I believe are easily fooled.


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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
My experience of life is that there is usually a gap between what people
think they can do and what they actually can do - especially when it
comes to anything to do with the senses, which I believe are easily
fooled.

Right. Back to your milkman again.



Sorry Poochie, I'm not playing - you start it (always) and *I* get the
chidey finger-wagging!

**** that....